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The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.

So yesterday I wrote about a law firm that wants to charge consumers 18% fees and the sales pitch was non-lawyer debt settlement companies are horrible so you need to go with a law firm instead.

Today, Stan, a tipster (send in your tips here), from California, sent me a copy of a letter they received about yet another law firm selling debt settlement services. I just got off the phone with a representative I spoke to who said “debt settlement is an unregulated industry, that’s why you need to deal with a law firm.” He also quoted me that I would be able to get out of debt for sixty cents on the dollar which included the eighteen percent fee the attorneys will charge.

The mailer is below.

The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.
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The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.

A Little Research

The Oliver Law Group was originally registered with the state of Florida as The Oliver Consumer Law Group, PA on March 30, 2010. – Source. On June 10, 2010 the group, at the request of the state of Florida, changed their name to The Oliver Law Group, PA. – Source

According to the Florida Bar Association:

The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.

Mr. Oliver appears to be a real estate attorney. From his LinkedIn Page:

How did I become a “dirt” (real estate) laywer? Well, when I joined the Army someone with a relatively low IQ and wearing a gun, looked at his clipboard and said, “You are a cook.” My first thougth was to raise a serious objection, but one look at that face and the gun prompted me to smile and say, “Yes Sir!” Sometime thereafter I walked into a New York, Park Avenue law firm and a gentleman with a very high IQ and signed paychecks looked at his clipboard and said, “You are in the Real Estate Department.” I was again tempted to object, but one look at that face and the checkbook and I said, “Yes Sir!” Something about guns and checkbooks and knowing when to keep one’s thoughts to oneself. Forty years later, I am still a cook and a dirt lawyer.

Three years after meeting Mr. Park Avenue Checkbook, my phone rings and a voice says, “Hi. I’m Mel Greenberg. I am building the largest law firm in Florida. i am recruiting you.” One minute I am telling him he has a wrong number; the next I am agreeing to go to Miami on a recruting trip. Credit that to the man’s abliity to charm; even on a long distance phone call. When I first met Mel, proudly told him that I made $19K/year. He offered me $50K on the spot. We shook hands and one week later I was in Miami / South Florida to stay.

Now I have the opportunity to put together a group of friends and great lawyers – Jerry Gritter (Corporate/Securities law), Luke Sherlock (Bankruptcy and Debt Forgiveness Negotiation) and John L. Papera (Real Estate) and form a new firm – The Oliver Law Group, P.A. The new Firm has affiliated with lawyers in several states on a Co-Counsel basis in the area of Debt Forgiveness helping individuals and families with real hardships negotiate out from under the crushing burden of unsecured debt or, where appropriate, referring them to competent bankruptcy counsel. – Source

I did find a website for the group at OliverLegalGroup.com and it had the following initial presentation that seems to only focus on debt settlement or debt reduction.

I did a quick look at the attorney that was listed as the California co-counsel, Howard L. Jacobs, and he seems to be a lawyer that specializes in representing athletes. How that relates to debt negotiation services, would be interesting to find out. I have emailed him for a comment.

The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.

So I looked at a couple more.

The Maryland lawyer listed, M. Edvard Shprukhman seems to have emphasis on other areas as well.

The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.

John A. Hatling, in Minnesotta, seems to focus on other areas as well.

The Oliver Law Group, Another Law Firm Pitching 18% Fee for Debt Settlement. But This Time With a Loan.

A Review of the Mailer

What struck me about the mailer was emphasis on a solution called “Debt Forgiveness” in which debt would be repaid for less than what is owed. What was interesting was that the letter did not mention the impact debt forgiveness would have on the persons credit or that other solutions like bankruptcy provide greater consumer protections and tax benefits than debt settlement does.

The letter says “you have already been pre-approved for financing” and latter says it is 100% financing at 0% interest, excluding costs. One concern I have is if the law firm is creating a contractual financial obligation or a loan for the total attorney fees. For example, if a consumer entered the program with $30,000 of debt and the attorney fees are 18% of debt, does the financing agreement then create a new debt obligation for $5,400 plus out of pocket costs?

And I wonder, if the attorney fees are a loan, if the consumer does not pay, does the loan have default rates and will the attorneys sue the consumer for the unpaid balance? I don’t know.

In fact the attorneys say their fees are a loan, “As of the date of this letter, Annual Percentage Rate (APR) is 0% for an 18 month loan.”

Then there was this interesting statement, “You will be responsible for out of pocket costs incurred.” I wonder if that is addition to the 18% fee the representative quoted me when I called? And what are “out-of-pocket” costs?

I was perplexed by the statement, “…we will review your personal situation and assess what amount of Debt Forgiveness might be possible for FREE.” I wonder what debt settlement services they provide for free?

The letter says, “The Firm focusses on consumer protection including credit card defense and the negotiation of credit card debt forgiveness,” but the firm is made up of a securities lawyer, a debt negotiation lawyer and a real estate attorney. Have they all now turned their focus to “consumer protection including credit card defense and the negotiation of credit card debt forgiveness” I wonder?

From the letter it is clear the mailing list the letter was sent to came from credit bureau information and the information they received included name, address, and total unsecured debt.

If anyone has any comments or updates to share on this new debt settlement, excuse me, Debt Forgiveness, player then just post them in the comments.

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  • Anonymous

    As an attorney I choose to remain anonymous but I was analyzing the letter/advertisement/legal law letter sent out by this Oliver Law Group posted here:

    http://getoutofdebt.org/20973/the-oliver-law-group-another-law-firm-pitching-18-fee-for-debt-settlement-but-this-time-with-a-loan

    What strikes me as illegitimate is the following.

    1. The Florida Bar rules of Advertising state you must disclose where you obtained the prospects data:

    http://www.floridabar.org/divexe/rrtfb.nsf/FV/99855EBF1EDE4BF0852574F6005AC724

    see Rule 4-7.4 b. 2 (I)

    Now the letter, instead of putting this specific in detail, places it on the back in the first box stating “from third parties”.

    yet;

    2. They are including the “pre-screen opt out notice” as per the FCRA for credit data used making a Firm Offer of Credit. Specifically placing the names of the 3 major reporting agencies in the 2nd box on the back. Equifax, Experian, Transunion. YET they are obtaining this data from an undisclosed 3rd party and not from the 3 Credit Agencies directly(why else would you need 3rd party, disclose this 3rd party).

    3. Lawfirms and attorneys are NOT approved to buy pre-screened credit data from the 3 reporting agencies (please call them and confirm yourself) and that data is mainly used by mortgage companies or credit card offers who make a real firm offer of credit at an APR substantially higher than 0%.

    My conclusion is that the data is not obtained through proper channels and this smoke and mirrors letter is abusing the use of the clients personal data.

    The Florida Bar would not have approved this. Doesn’t seem Kosher to me.

    Thanks.

  • http://active-debt.com Sean

    You should call and get a copy of their contract- I have spoken to several settlement companies that are “law models” None are moving. All are charging ridiculous fees- Trinity Financial- Using “Frank J. Loscalzo” as the lawyer are charging 25%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What is your opinion on who will enforce the TSR and advance fee ban when it comes to these guys? Will they lose their license?

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      I’ve got another law firm I’m looking at in Florida that is charging 30%. The story is in the works. I have one more interview to do for it.

      I wrote this recently, The Critical Flaw in The Attorney Model for Debt Settlement. It is not ‘if’ attorneys will be disbarred or even jailed, it is ‘when.’

      There is a whole host of ways to go after an attorney engaging in debt settlement. The TSR is helpful and my bet is the FTC will go after a law firm or two hard when the new rules kick in. But since the industry has been labeled as deceptive and abusive, if I was a consumer I’d go after the attorney through their Bar Association.

      It’s not hard to prove if an attorney has not acted in the best interest of their client by providing deceptive and abusive services. I’ve already been asked to be a consultant in some cases.

      Steve

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