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Form 1012-R Mass Joinder Litigation Lawsuit Mailer

A tipster (send in your tips here) sent in the following mailer they received and had some statements about it.

If you received a form 1012-R mailer the California Bar Association wants to hear from you. Click here.

Although it is a poor copy, you can see the mailer tries to look like an official form using the form number 1012-R and the large 2011. I wish I saw what the front of it looked like. If anyone gets one of these, please submit it to me using this form and be sure to include the front of the mailer.

The mailer says it is a Litigation Settlement Notification which could be interpreted as a settlement already exists and the receiver of this mailer is being notified of it. The advertisement says the settlement is to “void note,” and the status is “pending.”

The mailer says:

Our team of lawyers specialize in lender fraud and we are notifying you to discuss settlement arrangements. The attorneys are at the top firms in the nation and have represented hundreds of homeowners with these cases. Prior settlements with these banks have been successful which have included cash settlement and properties rewarded free and clear homes.

Form 1012 R Mass Joinder Litigation Lawsuit Mailer
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The form appears to highlight three cases in particular and says, “Records indicate you are a potential plaintiff in one of the following cases:” Three cases are marked with either a X and/or *. Not sure what the marks mean since there is no apparent legend.

  • Ronald vs. Bank of America
  • Wright vs. Bank of America
  • Marquette vs. OneWest Bank (Indymac)

I did a Google search for the cases mentioned in the mailer. – Source

One of the links in the search results was to a press release put out by Brookstone Law that said the firm “has contracted to aggregate members for other suits against leading banks and mortgage lenders including:”

  • Paul Ronald et al. v. Bank of America Corp. et al. – Los Angeles Superior Court Case No. BC409444;
  • Ignacio Damian Figueroa et al. v. David J. Stern, MERSCORP, Inc. et al – U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida Case No. 10-cv-61296-CMA;
  • Richard Wagner et al. v. Citibank Corp et al. – Los Angeles Superior Court Case No. BC452265;
  • James W. Locker et al. v. Ally Bank, N.A. et al. – Los Angeles Superior Court Case No. BC452263;
  • Brian R. Carlson et al. v. JP Morgan Chase Bank, N.A. et al. – Los Angeles Superior Court Case No. BC452262;
  • Antonio Marquette et al. v. OneWest Bank Group, LLC et al. – Los Angeles Superior Court Case No. BC452266; and
  • Justin Nelson et al. v. Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. et al. – Los Angeles Superior Court Case No. BC452264Source, Source

I am unaware for who Brookstone Law has contracted to aggregate members for.”

The cases bolded above from the press release appeared in the mailer.

After publishing this other article I was made aware that Brookstone Law and The Law Offices of George Baugh filed the case Wright vs. Bank of America. – Source. That case was also mentioned in the mailer.

I called the phone number in the mailer but I was unable to speak with anyone about it. When you call 1-800-985-5261 the recorded message identifies it as “The Litigation Settlement Department” and says that messages left will not be returned for three or four days.

Others that received a similar notice, but with a different telephone number in it of 800-368-9659 made some observations after speaking with representatives regarding the mailer. You can read what people had to say here.

The address given in the mailer is:

Civil Litigation Department
1000 Bristol Street North, #17-110
Newport Beach, CA 92660

A Google search identifies that address as a mailbox rental service called The Mail Room. – Source. I called and they verified the address is for The Mail Room.

The message in the mailer says:

You will become a joined named plantiff in a national lawsuit that will seek, among other things, to void your note(s), to give you your home free and clear, and/or to aware you relief and monetary damages

I am unaware if the mailer was sent out by a law firm. It does not seem to comply or contain advertising disclaimers typically or required to be used in California regarding legal service advertising. – Source

I did find a another search hit for Form 1012-R. The law firm Hartford Dunn published the following form. – Source

That version of form 1012-R says it was sent out by the Litigation Settlement Department of Kramer & Kaslow Law. The Litigation Settlement Department is the same title used in the recorded message when I called the number in the mailer the tipster (send in your tips here) sent to me.

Form 1012 R Mass Joinder Litigation Lawsuit Mailer

Form 1012 R Mass Joinder Litigation Lawsuit Mailer

The form from Kramer & Kaslow Law contains a similar format and some of the same language as the one sent to me by the tipster (send in your tips here).

The Hartford Dunn site has an interesting disclaimer regarding the Ronald vs. Bank of America case listed and the form above. They say:

Disclaimer: Hartford Dunn, LLP is the solely exclusive law firm working specifically with Mitchell J. Stein aka “The Doberman” on the Ronald vs. Bank of America case. All others are not affiliated with Hartford Dunn, LLP. In order to protect your rights and security in this case all matters pursuant Ronald vs. Bank of America is only authorized through Hartford Dunn, LLP. Specifically anyone receiving this mailer has no authorization or approval. To validate and protect your rights call our number listed above. – Source

Hopefully someone will be able to send me the front of the next mailer so we can see the entire marketing piece.

Updates

3-2-2011 / 2:17 PM: A tipster (send in your tips here) has sent in the front of the Litigation Settlement Notification mailer. See below. Postal permit number is Anaheim 904.

Form 1012 R Mass Joinder Litigation Lawsuit Mailer

Update 3-28-2011

It now appears the original mailer did come from Brookstone. A reader just sent in the following mailer and the telephone number went to Brookstone as you can see by his comment.

Form 1012 R Mass Joinder Litigation Lawsuit Mailer
Mailer 16 California – Brookstone Law 1-800-985-5261

I received a form 1012-R from Civil Litigation Department 1000 Bristol Street North #17-110 Newport Beach, CA. 92660; the notice instructed me to call 1-800-985-5261 for further details; i called the number and and then arranged for me to speak to a person whose name was David Hamilton who works for Brookstone law as a client service representative and his contact number is 1-800-946-8655 Ext. 445; he explained what their law firm does and convinced me to send a copy of one of my home loans and proof of title to my residence as one of their requirements to qualify for the Mass Joinder litigation lawsuit. He discussed the Paul Ronald vs. Bank of America and Wright vs. Bank of America case with me. After speaking to him, he then instructed me that another person from brookstone law firm will contact me in an hour or two. Soon enough, a Carl Centerfold ( i’m not sure how he spells his name), who works in the quality control department for Brookstone law, contacted me and ask me more questions

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  • Jon

    loll…. david hamilton… and yeah carl centerfold… not a model!

  • Beatrice

    I got an almost identical form stating it was a tort litigation lawsuit from Precision Law Center vs. Indymac Bank re: my mortgage? Is it for real?

  • Beatrice

    I got an almost identical form stating it was a tort litigation lawsuit from Precision Law Center vs. Indymac Bank re: my mortgage? Is it for real?

  • Patlen

    I do not recall how I was contacted originally I was several months delinquent and the person I spoke to was very convincing. A number of days later I sent in all the required loan docs and over the next 2 months paid a $5k retainer. A few days after K2 Law told me I was added to the complaint I received a call from my lender asking me if I wanted to modify. Surprisingly unlike the H.A.M.P. modification it was a very simple process I didn’t even have to leave my house since they sent all the docs via UPS.I don’t know if it was a coincidence or if just my name being on the lawsuit  made it happen but by the time the modification was completed I was 6 months behind   which they just added to the end of the mortgage so technically they have not saved me any money yet. Although my payment went up a few cents but a but I believe they did allow me to become current and save my house and am now optimistic  on the lawsuit’s outcome. From what I know they are not taking on anymore clients but if you joined the lawsuit this should make you more confident that you made the correct decision.

  • Patlen

    I do not recall how I was contacted originally I was several months delinquent and the person I spoke to was very convincing. A number of days later I sent in all the required loan docs and over the next 2 months paid a $5k retainer. A few days after K2 Law told me I was added to the complaint I received a call from my lender asking me if I wanted to modify. Surprisingly unlike the H.A.M.P. modification it was a very simple process I didn’t even have to leave my house since they sent all the docs via UPS.I don’t know if it was a coincidence or if just my name being on the lawsuit  made it happen but by the time the modification was completed I was 6 months behind   which they just added to the end of the mortgage so technically they have not saved me any money yet. Although my payment went up a few cents but a but I believe they did allow me to become current and save my house and am now optimistic  on the lawsuit’s outcome. From what I know they are not taking on anymore clients but if you joined the lawsuit this should make you more confident that you made the correct decision.

  • Steve Rhode

    Let’s wait for the pitch and then report back here in the comments. You need to keep in mind there is no guarantee and any suit will most likely take years. But I’m most intrigued by what their sales pitch is and the claims they make.

  • Momindublin

    Steve,
    Just received a mailer from Precision Law Center. My mortgage is with American Home Mortgage Servicing Inc.. I spoke with Darryl Washington who is sending me an email and cd. They said the Atty will call me tomorrow. I am very lucky I found your website. Can you tell me about this? I am a single mom and cannot afford to lose. Thanks, Kris

  • Piggybankblog

    Oh okay! That makes sense! Yah, as far as I knew, he was going to be the lead attorney at the start of it all. That is until the latest news.
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    That is the thing here Steve……regardless of how many might feel about Stein, he is a very good attorney. So either way I look at it, I still feel that the homeowners might have lost a hell of a litigator. There has to be a reason that Spivak initially wanted to be associated with him.
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    Thank you for making that clear :)
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    Stein was the guy that was paid to file your suit and it changed only at the last minute.

  • Piggybankblog

    Hi Steve:
    .
    It appears that you are right about the mailers. I did not speak to Vito about it previously, but I had been talking to someone else there at Brookstone. I think there was a misunderstanding about what mailers that I was inquiring about from them. I think they might have thought I was talking about the Kramer mailers, but I do not know why they told me that they did not do it.
    .
    It is true that Brookstone almost did not file my lawsuit. I am not sure what you meant by Stein is my guy? However, I have to read it I guess to figure it out. I have had the declaration here for a few days, but have not found time to read it all. This is why I have not really commented on it too much on my blog.
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    What did you mean when you say Stein was my guy?
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    Also, I am also pleased with the article you have written. Nice work :)
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Just posted the full declaration of Torchia in the infighting that is going on with Stein and others. Turns out he says Brookstone did send out the Form 1012 mailers for a bit. What is really interesting in his declaration is how close it appears you came to not having your case filed by Brookstone at all. Looks like Stein was supposed to be your guy.

    Please don’t read anything into my tone on this comment. I’m simply trying to update the record with new information.

    I think you will personally be very interested in the inside story. You can read the new article with Torchia’s declaration here.

  • ComplianceSlave

    My bad- You SAID i posted on your blog. Ive certainly been to see your website John.

    John Get some sleep- for real man.

    Im OK with you. Good Luck for real- Again, I hope it works out.

  • Piggybankblog

    Up above you said that you never been to my blog. Can you please tells us what you meant when you posted this previously?
    .
    Funny- On this page, http://www.piggybankblog.com/2… Dorothy asks “Where are those links that used to point to ULG?”

    Of course, now there are links to Brookstone.

    Lies “
    .
    hmmmmmmm…..Don’t you think that kind of makes you look like the liar?
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    My name is Johh Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    You know what is funnier than this? This stament by you yesterday:
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    ” have not been on your blog- “
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    Are you sure that I am the liar? (lol)
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    What do you think of that, in regards to your previous theories about Brookstone? Also, are you going to remove the statement where you put in bold letters the implication that said this person hoped that I went to prision and FBI stuff?
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Hey Krista :)
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    I just wanted to say I am sorry that I keep saying “bailey” (lol) I know another Krista with that last name…………it is going to be hard to shake :)
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    Your friend,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    First off, what? To be honest John, you’ve been posting so many comments I stopped reading them.

    Interesting turn of events with SML, Apex, Stein and Steins attack against Brookstone. I spent a bunch of time reading the motion to boot stein off co-counsel. Posted it at Mass Joinder Case Infighting Worse Than High School. Co-Counsel Mitchell Stein Gets the Boot.

  • Piggybankblog

    Still did not remove it huh Steve?
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    I have come here to warn all of you who have we have tracked, to let you know that you are next. You can run, but you cannot hide!
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    Read John’s Daily Blog on 03/31/11: http://www.piggybankblog.com/2
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    With that being said, I am ready to bury the hatchet (lol). I thought about it a little bit more, so I am calm now. Sometimes good people make bad mistakes :)
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    Thank you for your kind words and your best wishes :)
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    My name is just John Wright right now!

    .
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Listen, there were several links on my site concerning ULG, because of several reasons. For example, there was my response to the FBI raid and what I felt about it, simply because I was a high profile blogger that was with ULG, where people were looking for comment. This is because I get around 150 emails from my site a day, in which I did not want to get 150 more just asking me what I thought about it. There were links to my lawsuit that was featured on their site at that time, because there was a very active comment section, where people could go and leave good comments good or bad, as part of ongoing debate at that time. IT WAS ALSO A LINK TO MYSELF AND THE DETAILS OF MY LAWSUIT ON THEIR SITE. There were links to the ULG site page, which had information posted about the details of my lawsuit, which is not irregular that I would post, but actually very regular that I would post. The reason is because people want to make sure that I am not making it all up, and would like to verify that I really do have a lawsuit, as well as research the law firm representing me. There is also reporters and other attorneys who would like to know the details of my lawsuit, in which would stand to reason that the law firm would have these trademark protected details on their site. So I simply had a page with a cut and paste copy of a press release or statement they had on their page about the lawsuit. It is common practice for people to support an article with a link. There other press outlets also putting a link on their page to ULG, but does that mean they were actively promoting them, as part of some marketing conspiracy? Why should I care if ULG makes money or not? I will admit that when I first filed my lawsuit with ULG, I would leave comments that stated something like: “please help support myself and ULG in this battle by joining my fight,” but I began to back off once the complaints came in. It is not abnormal at all that I would not cancel my lawsuit based on those complaints, because I would lose money and risk not finding representation. Your thoughts that I had an obligation to be Jesus Christ, while I sacrifice my home, money and lawsuit based on your conclusions are simply not reasonable. at any rate, you will not find even one person that will say that I promoted ULG on my blog, while telling them they should or should not go to ULG. In fact, you will not find one person that did not ask me about ULG, where I did not voice a tenor of concern, while I suggested to them they might want to review the complaints on the web first. I would be very clear that I was just a client, and neither confirmed or denied if such complaints were legitimate about ULG or not. The simple fact was that my experience was completely different with ULG than theirs, and I was not there and I am not here to represent your cause or fight with ULG, Brookstone or against the toaster company, simply because you believe I have that obligation. For the record, I do not believe “all” the complaints concerning ULG or about the people who worked for them, simply because my experience with them was not only different, but I happen to have knowledge about some of the events, which were grossly being misrepresented in the comments sections, which some apparently were disgruntled fired ULG employees, who all the sudden decided to appear as advocates. Some of the complaints I had read about ULG were clearly the opposite of my experience, such as ULG never specifically told me that I should not make my mortgage payment, but in fact went on the record with telling me that they could not tell me not to pay my mortgage. This would be substantiated by the fact that I continued to pay my mortgage less than 30 days late, after securing ULG for some time. Why would I do that, if I they told me that I did not have to? I simply did not believe all the complaints, because at the same time people seem to be alleging that they willingly entered into an agreement with ULG to defraud the bank, but were now upset they did not get their modification. That kind of person would not be creditable in a court of law, as well as they did not seem creditable to me either. Something they might have overlooked when making their complaint. The simple fact is that I do not see you actively tracking down and finding the phone operators, who were paid to promote ULG, but you want to harass me, who was nothing other than high profile blogger and a client, which I find suspicious. This is because I will easily conclude that you either work for BofA or a competing law firm that is jealous, while you try to defame my name and the Brookstone name and hide behind a screen name. Yet you seem to be concerned that I am not protecting myself from claims like yours.
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    At any rate, you have to also understand that the dynamics were much different with my ULG lawsuit, because it was an individual lawsuit at ULG. The other dynamics was that most of the victims at ULG involved a loan modification service, whereas I was in a lawsuit that involved me having direct contact with the attorney representing me. I was not promoting that people go to ULG for a loan modification, and why would? Especially after I knew that Countrywide and Bank of America might be ignoring attorney’s requests, much like they might be doing now with millions of people.
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    With all due respect, your comments tend to identify yourself as a person who only sees issues in black and white, while having no gray area, simply because you have a preconceived thoughts that everything plays into your conspiracy theory and cause. It is these kind of dynamics that explain probably a million different conspiracy theories to who shot Kennedy, while they all use the same evidence, in which one conspiracy theory completely contradicts the other, but while they use the same evidence to prove their points. This black and white process that you use, is not only a little self righteous, simply because it leaves no room in your mind for other conclusions, but would be made readily apparent by your Webster dictionary definition of the word “promote, ” while you still try to “promote” your unsubstantiated claims about me. This all done while you seem to be suggesting at the same time that you hope I succeed. Excuse me, but I zero tolerance for bullshit, simply because you clearly already stated for the record what your hopes were for me in a previous statement. Have you changed your mind now? If so, why? This is because In the beginning, you did not ask questions, but simply made statements that suggested that I was not only responsible for the victims at ULG, but admitted that even though you had no evidence, that you “hoped” the FBI came and put me in prison. This is called a personal vendetta, which I think this whole threat is and topic and thread at Steve’s page is. Therefore, your agenda was clearly stated for the record, because that is what you were hoping for. Do you really think that you can just come out here and say whatever you want, while you put my life in danger and slander my reputation with lies and then make a statement like “I was going to just drop it,” and “I hope you succeed”, as if you dictate when this accountability session is over? Too little too late!
    Let me be clear here, I do not respect you, I do not like you and I do not want anything to do with or your cause. This is because you are a complete liability to homeowners, as well as any cause you represent, including Steve , his page and the integrity of this debate. End of story.
    In closing, you should just simply apologize, instead of trying to save face and send me your webster dictionary definition of the word promote. This is because there is a few legal definitions of what you are doing that I can think of right off the bat, but let me give you a social definition of what I think of you:
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D
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    Any more questions?
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • ComplianceSlave

    I was gonna drop it… but, where, exactly did Steve say THAT?

    Annnd, you’re just posting links ’cause you wanna? It says “JOIN MY LAWSUIT”- not Brookstone Law.

    “Promote”: To contribute to the progress or growth of;

    Let me say this, because it is the last time I will address you:
    John- I believe you that you are not being paid by Brookstone to promote their lawsuit- but you certainly are promoting it.
    I don’t believe you see the potential harm that supporting them may do to those that BUY their service- Just as I don’t think you see the harm it did when so many lost with their previous company ULG.
    I have not been on your blog- or emailed you- ever.
    Honestly, I wish you well in your lawsuit against BoA.
    John, I wish you could understand that it appears that you are promoting BSL & it appeared that you were promoting ULG- By promoting your lawsuit, you, in turn, are promoting these companies. When you look at the facts surrounding what happened, the BBB complaints (100′s for a law firm????!!!), the attorney being disbarred, the FTC suits & all the clients who lost with them, added up- it looked as if you HAD to benefiting somehow if you were still promoting them. What else would one think?… But, I believe youre not. I believe you are sincerely, extremely passionate about your case. And I hope you succeed. And, I hope anyone who shells out $8,000 to join this lawsuit gets to keep their homes & doesn’t lose their money this time! AND, for the people you’ve helped, I believe you should be recognized- But you need to be careful with ANY promotion of these guys- If it all goes south again, how will you feel then?

    So, I hope we can bury the hatchet here, once and for all. I think you need to get some some sleep- like a weeks worth… Best of luck.

  • Piggybankblog

    I mean sign with my name :) Another all nighter here.

  • Piggybankblog

    Funny because Steve said that you changed the one of your statments about me because it is not true. And I am the one telling lies? (lol)
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    I can post links if I want. It does not mean it is promoting. I have links to BofA too, so does that mean I am promoting them?
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    This is so stupid. They should take your computer away from you (lol) Oh yah, and your cause (wink).

  • Piggybankblog

    I think I sing it with my name (lol) Your claim makes no sense. Stop trying to be right. Your wrong Steve.

  • Piggybankblog

    I could not live further. I live in San Jose Steve. However, I did receive an invitation to be part of my own lawsuit.
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    For the record, I know of no legal charges being brought against Brookstone for this mailer. Why?
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    yes

  • Piggybankblog

    I have a question?
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    Why have you not devoted this amount of time to any of the other law firms out there?
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Odd duck?
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    Well, I think you better start pulling some your too Steve. You must know that I have snap shots of all these things right?
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    You are poking a tiger in a care Steve.
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    Ask the firm! I do not work for them, as your delusion is forcing you think.

  • Piggybankblog

    My answer is simple, which is I stopped the protest and potential legal action against you and your site, simply because I thought you fixed the issue. However, now I see this Steve?
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    For the record, I have made no such false accusations, but simply posted links where others have made allegations about you, while saying “potentially” fraudulent. You might want to talk to your attorney about what that legally implies Steve, before posting this statement prominently at the top of your page, because it will only serve to substantiate my potential legal case against you. This is because your allegation that I have posted false accusations, simply is not my opinion, but is also ANOTHER “POTENTIAL” slanderous attempt. I assure you this is not the time for you to play attorney with this tactic, unless you intend to suffer the consequences of legally being accountable.
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    With that being said, there is public information available on your past Mr. Rhodes, which anyone can look up for themselves. Facts that will clearly speak for itself, as I assure you. I have chosen all this time to not post it for your viewers, even though I have access to things that not most people do. However, I will warn you that taking this statement and prominently posting it at the top of your blog, will only serve as further evidence in any potential litigation I might choose to bring against you and your blog. This is because there is clearly a difference between me reacting to your potentially slanderous attempts vs. your “alleged” current agenda to defame my name. This is because you using this statement about me from this other slanderous person, as a means to extort a response out of me, is making you even further liable Mr. Rhodes. This is because you have now used turned this persons statements into a weapon of your own, which has all sorts of legal implications.
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    Now, I would usually be re-activating my protest and continuing with my potential litigation. However, I said I owed you one for taking that 11 year old child’s “potential” persecution video off your terms. This is why I am going to warn you this time, but if I come back and see this still here, I will proceed forward with my protest and legal action and not even look back.
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    Good day Mr. Rhodes.
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    My name John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Dear Mr. Rhode:
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    I am in receipt of a protest that was announced by piggybankblog.com and myself the day before yesterday. After careful examination of your site, I have been able to conclude that the issues protested against have been addressed to our satisfaction. Therefore, our protest is officially over. I will not be serving as any legal threat to you or your site at this time, because I feel that you have taken the appropriate steps to do the right thing concerning this matter. Thank you.
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    With that being said, I believe that everyone should be able to be free to express their thoughts about myself and Brookstone, but in a fair way that allows me to respond to an issue, before it does me damage. This is because have no problem with someone questioning my integrity, but I will not allow them to do it with untrue statements and not questions. However, please contact me at my email at [email protected] the next time someone talks about me, so that I may at least respond to it before it does me damage. It only seems fair Mr. Rhodes.
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    In this case, my people were able to find out who this person is that is under a masked screen name of “compliance. ” They were able to determine that the “alliance” and “compliance” person are one in the same. Therefore, in retrospect, your blogs mistake would end up exposing not me, but this persons that I almost merged my protest with, because I thought they were a good person, but now I think I was wrong. Since this person has taken it upon themselves to try and potentially do damage to my name, reputation, cause and protest, I will be responding by exposing them and their potential financial agenda with their cause. This I am alleging, but only after I consider that they might have been trying to exploit myself and Brookstone for financial gain. This is because when I tried to help this person and say that maybe Brookstone might want to help them with their legal issues, because they were crying poverty, I am alleging that this person required a “finder’s fee”, even though I never requested that she promote her lawsuit, if Brookstone would agree to represent her. Something I have never asked or received from either firm that was representing me, simply because I knew there would be a conflict of interest. Even considering that I warned this person that this might be a conflict of interest for themselves and their cause, I have to admit that I was very surprised that this person revealed that they were potentially suggesting that they wanted to benefit financially from it. In fact, it seemed that they were insisting. After considering this allegation I am making, I am even more surprised that this person would actually have the audacity to come on this forum and suggest that I was the one actually working for money, when I have not asked for, been offered or received a dime from Brookstone for what I do, but all while they asked for a finders finder’s fee. Puke! Yet they claim I am the one exploiting the homeowner? Please!
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    Even the very respected Krista Bailey, who never hides behind an alias, has openly stated that her investigation would leave her to conclude that I am telling the truth about not working for Brookstone or ULG, but at the same time suggested that I might be making a mistake promoting my lawsuit. That is why she is a class act, while this other person might be nothing other than a coward. In my opinion, this other person should not be trusted by any organization, because they are potentially a person that will use unethical ways to stab them in the back, while they hide behind a good doer persona and screen name that does not reveal who their target is, but ultimately might suggest what kind of person they might be. Well, they can run, but they cannot hide! They are not clever, cute or even interesting, but simply a coward. At least Krista, myself and Steve use our real names with our statements.
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    In closing, I am sorry that I had to protest against your page Mr. Rhodes, but I am happy that I learned that you might be a good man, simply because it was good character that you removed that youtube in your terms. I simply owe you one for that one Mr. Rhodes, and is mainly why I have decided to consider withdrawing any previous potential litigation, but ultimately stop this protest. In other words, I am grateful ;)
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    This protest is officially over at 3:30 am on 03/30/11
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    Dear Mr. Rhode:
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    I am in receipt of a protest that was announced by piggybankblog.com and myself the day before yesterday. After careful examination of your site, I have been able to conclude that the issues protested against have been addressed to our satisfaction. Therefore, our protest is officially over. I will not be serving as any legal threat to you or your site at this time, because I feel that you have taken the appropriate steps to do the right thing concerning this matter. Thank you.
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    With that being said, I believe that everyone should be able to be free to express their thoughts about myself and Brookstone, but in a fair way that allows me to respond to an issue, before it does me damage. This is because have no problem with someone questioning my integrity, but I will not allow them to do it with untrue statements and not questions. However, please contact me at my email at [email protected] the next time someone talks about me, so that I may at least respond to it before it does me damage. It only seems fair Mr. Rhodes.
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    In this case, my people were able to find out who this person is that is under a masked screen name of “compliance. ” They were able to determine that the “alliance” and “compliance” person are one in the same. Therefore, in retrospect, your blogs mistake would end up exposing not me, but this persons that I almost merged my protest with, because I thought they were a good person, but now I think I was wrong. Since this person has taken it upon themselves to try and potentially do damage to my name, reputation, cause and protest, I will be responding by exposing them and their potential financial agenda with their cause. This I am alleging, but only after I consider that they might have been trying to exploit myself and Brookstone for financial gain. This is because when I tried to help this person and say that maybe Brookstone might want to help them with their legal issues, because they were crying poverty, I am alleging that this person required a “finder’s fee”, even though I never requested that she promote her lawsuit, if Brookstone would agree to represent her. Something I have never asked or received from either firm that was representing me, simply because I knew there would be a conflict of interest. Even considering that I warned this person that this might be a conflict of interest for themselves and their cause, I have to admit that I was very surprised that this person revealed that they were potentially suggesting that they wanted to benefit financially from it. In fact, it seemed that they were insisting. After considering this allegation I am making, I am even more surprised that this person would actually have the audacity to come on this forum and suggest that I was the one actually working for money, when I have not asked for, been offered or received a dime from Brookstone for what I do, but all while they asked for a finders finder’s fee. Puke! Yet they claim I am the one exploiting the homeowner? Please!
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    Even the very respected Krista Bailey, who never hides behind an alias, has openly stated that her investigation would leave her to conclude that I am telling the truth about not working for Brookstone or ULG, but at the same time suggested that I might be making a mistake promoting my lawsuit. That is why she is a class act, while this other person might be nothing other than a coward. In my opinion, this other person should not be trusted by any organization, because they are potentially a person that will use unethical ways to stab them in the back, while they hide behind a good doer persona and screen name that does not reveal who their target is, but ultimately might suggest what kind of person they might be. Well, they can run, but they cannot hide! They are not clever, cute or even interesting, but simply a coward. At least Krista, myself and Steve use our real names with our statements.
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    In closing, I am sorry that I had to protest against your page Mr. Rhodes, but I am happy that I learned that you might be a good man, simply because it was good character that you removed that youtube in your terms. I simply owe you one for that one Mr. Rhodes, and is mainly why I have decided to consider withdrawing any previous potential litigation, but ultimately stop this protest. In other words, I am grateful ;)
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    This protest is officially over at 3:30 am on 03/30/11
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    No I think you have come to see that my beef is definitely with you Steven, because I feel you are allowing, if not encouraging people with your articles this kind of abuse of my name and cause, as well as the firm representing me. I reported it as abuse to you, as well as proved to you that it was done with malicious intent, but you chose to protect the abuser. Trust me, there is a lot of clear case history on what your responsibility is concerning the content and posting on your page.
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    Steven, if someone was on my page and posted things in a screen name that said Steverhodesfraud, and it was not you, I would remove it, warn the person and band the person if they did not stop. This is because it ruins the integrity of the debate, as well as it might display the agenda of the person in charge of that debate. In some case, there have been actually people taking out screen names with the name piggybankblog, and I am sure you would not appreciate it if I allowed that done on my page with your pages name. Nevertheless, I might have information that shows that this person is part of a ongoing potential conspiracy, while having a relationship to you and this page.
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    I think I have already answered this question by posting some of the previous “victims” emails to me today. No I do not feel responsible, and neither am I responsible. This is no matter what you are trying to make the public believe with your lies.
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    The person that was going to join was not donating, but I do not have to explain myself to you, such as you are under the impression that everyone must, but I assure you that you will soon have a lot of explaining to do for me :) However, that is not the first time you have been in that position……….is it?
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    You have been a busy little bee, who has found it appropriate potentially punishing people, by asking very liable questions that might insinuate something other than the truth, as part of nothing other than potential smear campaign. An agenda based on pieces of information that do not lead to putting the accurate picture together about Brookstone or myself, but nevertheless are pieces of the big picture that shows your malicious agenda to potentially falsely accuse and punish innocent people. It is irresponsible and it is liable. It is based on nothing other than theory, even though you call it evidence. It has been said that theoretically one can use pieces to prove you can hang an elephant from a cliff by its tail, but never the less, it does not hold up once challenged. Ask your employer about that one (wink).
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    For the record, those questions were never addressed to me on my site, but here on a site where you knew I would not be able to answer them until I ran into them. This is because I believe you had other motives. Steve calls you an interesting source, but I call you nothing other than a two faced person starting rumors about innocent people, just because you have some kind of odd interest in Brookstone. An interest that you have metaphorically shot innocent people along the way. I am not going to put up with it, because I do not deserve it. I am fighting back!
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    You have played an interesting game of undercover here. However, soon you will not be undercover anymore. Neither will you be able to use the Get Out Of Debt Guy page to push your agenda, who you might of served no other purpose than getting him into debt, because you have potentially used it as nothing other than a weapon towards your agenda against myself and Brookstone. A self righteous agenda ,where you take no prisoners based on your conclusions, because you feel you have that right, while hiding behind a good doer persona. You feel it might be appropriate to step on people, reveal people and use people to accommodate your ultimate agenda of destroying your target, which then potentially creates a trail of victims of your own.
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    I used to respect you, but I have no respect for you right now, because you might be creating a trail of your own victims, while I might be one of them. How dare you!
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    Do you have any more questions for me about the alliance you helped me lose? I assure you that it really gets me worked up………..every time you mention it.
    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    So your logic is you have a beef with a commenter named ComplianceSlave, not me, and your response is to attack me? That is crazy and makes no sense.

    You complain of screen names but you post under a screen name yourself, piggybankblog. Again, your outrage makes no sense.

  • Steve Rhode

    See my response below to the links you posted. You already know they are untrue, and have known for some time, and yet you continue to post them. Why? You know they are factually untrue and yet continue to spread them. Hum, and what is the definition of libel?

    A month ago I answered your false accusations on those links and yet you continue to post them, repeatedly.

    See my previous response.

    “If you had taken the time to read the links you posted or researched them a bit you would have seen my response to the untrue allegations on the scamchecker post. Just scroll down on that page. [Note: ScamChecker later pulled that page because it was untrue.]

    You can also see all my answers to these untrue claims here.

    Thank you for the Complaints link. I did not know about that. I have since responded to that one as well, here.

    You can see my answer for the California thing here.”

    You claim you are abused on the site by one commenter but in fact you appear to be the biggest abuser of all. What’s with the reporting of information that has already been proven to you by me as not factual?

    I’ll tell you why I have not removed the comment in question yet, because John Wright can’t answer a simple question I asked about it. Instead you launch off into threats, tirades, lawsuits, protests, and every other crazy sidetrack other than just answering the simple question.

    John, in my addressing the comment that you claim was abusive I asked you the following information, which none of your subsequent posts answered.

    “In reviewing the comment I think you are upset about it was ” I REALLY want to know what he is getting from Torch for doing all that BS marketing. I hope he gets found out (FBI are you listening?) and goes to prison.” Is that the remark you are claiming is abuse? How is that remark abusive?”

    - and -

    “What about the false accusations you made against that same commenter and against me? How do I deal with those?”

    What is your answer to those questions so we can deal with the original issue at hand.

  • Piggybankblog

    You can feel whatever you want Steven. Yet, if you are feeling abused, maybe you might feel like some of your potential victims you have in your past. I am protest movement Steven, which means I protest. I also only react when attacked. Your site drew first blood, and I gave you and your friends and different screen names ever opportunity to stop. But you did not…………..SO HERE I AM!
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    I would rather be an odd duck with a clear past record Steven, than what I have read about you. The potential fraudster pointing the finger at what they think is fraud. Now that is odd :)
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • ComplianceSlave

    You’re an angry little man, aren’t ya?

    Yawn…. I’ll re engage when you answer the questions… Enjoy stumping for Brookstone.

    Later.

  • Piggybankblog

    Looks like Get Out of Debt Guy might be “Getting into some debt” very soon. Steve, you should know that I am never going to let you or your supporters post on my site, because they are lies and motivated. So you might as well stop. You see, your site is a site for money, which gives some very interesting customers doesn’t Steve? Some with motives against their competition. Others have tried to be clever like this, but after you read the press release that is going to be released on those “others,” I think you will see what happens to people who are hired through donations and ad money. The difference between your site and mine is that I am not a money making site or venture. I just recently put a donation tab up and have made a whopping 300 dollars because it is so new and not promoted that much. I have spent 20,000 of my own money, but not on just web stuff, but on resources.
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    Did I mention that I am FIGHTING THE LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD? You do not think that I cannot fight your lies now do you? I think you have clearly been messing with the wrong guy (wink).
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    You see, I am not the Oprah show Steve, but I am protest site, which means I am built for protesting, while having resources behind all your wildest dreams. I have seen some of the things you have said on here, while actually having the answers. However, I think I will wait for you and your lousy “aggressive” attorney find those answers in the most interesting way. At least you are smart enough not to remove any of the comments. I figured out last time that you knew I was waiting for that, but your attorney must have been worth something at one time. I hope I can bring that lousy attorney of yours to me, because I have plans for them (wink).
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    Contrary to your terms statements that you are not afraid of threats, this is not a threat. It is a promise :)
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    Tell these people why you really would not remove that persons statements? I have an idea why (smirk). You should maybe do a section on your own potentially fraudulent activity. Could you please answer in this forum the charges made in the following:
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    http://www.scamchecker.com/con

    http://www.debtmanagementguys….
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    http://www.complaintsboard.com
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    http://www.corp.ca.gov/ENF/pdf
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    By the way, if you are having trouble opening the pdf, it is because it is the most interesting out of all the links. One day it will open though :)
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    If you are about getting the facts straight then taking a few minutes to do your research would be helpful. I believe the scamchecker page is gone now. They pulled it because it was untrue. The debt management guys thing was based on those untrue statements so that’s in the same boat. I believe the complaintsboard thing I’ve addressed in the comments there.

    And for your information I do that about those pages here in the site and I’ve pointed that out to you before. You knew I’ve stated categorically they are they are not true yet you continue to post them. Should I feel abused as you claim to be?

    You are a very odd duck.

  • ComplianceSlave

    ” which I told you I did not promote”

    Funny- On this page, http://www.piggybankblog.com/2… Dorothy asks “Where are those links that used to point to ULG?”

    Of course, now there are links to Brookstone.

    Lies

  • Piggybankblog

    By the way, here is one those victims that you say are from ULG that signed up because of my blog, which I told you I did not promote had to say today in an email to me:
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    John,
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    I am so upset about the allegations presented. You are a good man, working for a good cause. You have help me a great deal in my dealing with the bank.
    The United Law Group also was a help prior to their problems.
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    I stand behind you 100%.
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    Dorothy Robinson.
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • ComplianceSlave

    John- Look up…. Didnt YOU say this?….

    “Though you are correct that there are these sort of unethical mass marketing tactics out there, I think it is fair to mention that NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN FROM BROOKSTONE, but are from companies that have already clearly been identified as having nothing to do with even the attorney on record:”

    And…

    “Steve, these MAIL OUTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BROOKSTONE LAW GROUP. “

    Did you mis speak? Or were you lying? Just admit you’re wrong John.

    Or, go back to misdirection & post old news of complaints against Steve…. Why in the world would you attack THIS site if you’re all about helping people John?

  • Piggybankblog

    No it turns out that there is going to be a press release that will show that it is all lega. There are going to be a few other press releases.
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    How come Steve does not talk about his past on here more? We have found more, but we figure the public as the right to know, while they consider the source.
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    http://www.scamchecker.com/con
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    http://www.debtmanagementguys….

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    http://www.complaintsboard.com

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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • ComplianceSlave

    “if it turns out that you qualify- yes, they will request a retainer to help in the legal costs of fighting the case and getting justice for all of the homeowners who have been ripped off.”

    Why all the marketing then? Why have sales companies & “furnish leads”?

    So is the retainer to “help in the legal costs” or the marketing & profit? How much of the retainer is paid to the sales company?

  • ComplianceSlave

    2 Things-

    I said I hope they find out what you are getting for promoting their lawsuit & then put you in jail. Since I dont know WHAT you are getting, I can not say HOW they would do that.

    #2- You say you are going to sue Steve here http://getoutofdebt.org/24788/
    For “potential donation injury” & then go on that because of what i wrote someone had JUST RECANTED their donation! Amazing!… Since earlier you claimed only 4 donations ever, totalling less than $400 in 3 years-

    So- I ask you once again John, Do you feel nothing- No responsibility whatever to the thousands who gave ULG their last dollar, trusted ULG, AT YOUR WORD, and then lost their homes?

  • Steve Rhode

    For anyone reading this his issue is really over on this post.

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve Rhodes:
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    This is notification that the piggybankblog board has voted to protest against your site. This is because you allow your potential friends and bloggers to abuse myself, my name and my cause. You witnessed that the person could not identify what particular crime it was that they were implying that I should go to jail for, as well as you allowed this kind of abuse to happen on your forum, even after it was reported to you. Your page also potentially allowed these people to take out screen names out that were clearly meant to abuse myself, while you did nothing to stop this reported abuse.
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    With that being said, we believe that it is because you have an agenda that might suggest that you might be working for a potential donation from one of your many paid advertisers, but maybe one in particular. We also believe that you potentially approve and urge your bloggers behavior, by simply allowing it to exist, simply because it might serve whatever agenda you might have against Brookstone Law Firm.
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    We are also protesting this sites choice to potentially exploit the tragedy of an eleven year old girl listed in your terms. We will be contacting the parents of this child, while making her aware that will be protesting for her. We also will be seeing if we can offer her any legal assistance in this matter.
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    The board has also voted to put a protest page up on our site, while we invite people to join our protest.
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    The board has also voted to activate a portion of our blogger support team to combat and police any activity that might suggest abuse of my name, cause, supporters or the law firm representing me.
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    In closing, this protest is being done, but while exercising our 1st amendment right for freedom of speech.
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    This protest will also start now!
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve Rhodes:
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    This is notification that the piggybankblog board has voted to protest against your site. This is because you allow your potential friends and bloggers to abuse myself, my name and my cause. You witnessed that the person could not identify what particular crime it was that they were implying that I should go to jail for, as well as you allowed this kind of abuse to happen on your forum, even after it was reported to you. Your page also potentially allowed these people to take out screen names out that were clearly meant to abuse myself, while you did nothing to stop this reported abuse.
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    With that being said, we believe that it is because you have an agenda that might suggest that you might be working for a potential donation from one of your many paid advertisers, but maybe one in particular. We also believe that you potentially approve and urge your bloggers behavior, by simply allowing it to exist, simply because it might serve whatever agenda you might have against Brookstone Law Firm.
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    We are also protesting this sites choice to potentially exploit the tragedy of an eleven year old girl listed in your terms. We will be contacting the parents of this child, while making her aware that will be protesting for her. We also will be seeing if we can offer her any legal assistance in this matter.
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    The board has also voted to put a protest page up on our site, while we invite people to join our protest.
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    The board has also voted to activate a portion of our blogger support team to combat and police any activity that might suggest abuse of my name, cause, supporters or the law firm representing me.
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    In closing, this protest is being done, but while exercising our 1st amendment right for freedom of speech.
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    This protest will also start now!
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      For anyone reading this his issue is really over on this post.

  • Piggybankblog

    I am talking about the one that said that they hoped I was put in prison. You said told him to answer the question. He did not.

  • Piggybankblog

    Okay Steve “thread”
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    Please do not piss me off. I assure you will not like me if I get pissed off, which I having a hard time not doing, while I see you allowing a comment that did damage to me. I am not here to play around Steve. You know exactly what I am talking about.
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    Now, you have friends and I think you met some of my friends. So if we are going to go backwards here, just let me know because I am a protest site, which means I built for protesting.

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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    It is your friend that you have allowed to post things that insinuate I am criminal, which did me damage Steve. I gave them the opportunity to prove it or give it basis, and you could see that they had no basis. Therefore, you must conclude that this person was abusing me in a damaging way. Regardless of your terms of conditions, you have to take it off or you will liable. I am not threatening you, but I am asking you to be reasonable. Otherwise I am never going to leave this room without policing it.
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve it is a child. I do not really care about ABC news man. Come on Steve…..take it down. You are better than this right? It is really disturbing. Please? Please take it down? This child should not be haunted for the rest of her life…..regardless if her parents did not do the right thing. Please consider taking it down. This child is traumatized and you are actually taking the side of the people who are against her in your statements. Please take it down.
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    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    I am not aware of any slander on this thread. I think you may be talking about this other post where you and some commenter were going at each other. I already answered that over there.

    FYI. I’m turning the computer off for the night so don’t be surprised when you don’t hear back from me.

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve I am not getting the emails telling me of your response. Is there something I am not clicking in here?

  • Steve Rhode

    What would an IP address you traced have to do with me? Traced an IP from what room? What’s a room?

  • Piggybankblog

    I am not talking about the mailer. I am talking about the false allegation that guy made who was clearly harassing me with trying to slander my name. It has been brought to your attention, and now you must do something about Steve.

  • Piggybankblog

    I do have to admit that I do not see your answers Steve, until now. So I am sorry I started getting upset. For some reason it does not send me an email when you respond.
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    At any rate, let me read over some of your answers, but I do want you to know that I traced an ip from this room in my chat room leaving things under my name again. Who do you think that was Steve? Think it was that guy that was working earlier? Well, it looks like this page wants a war. Keep doing it and see what happens (wink) Better call the dogs off because I am tiger baby and don’t mean maybe! .
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    Thank you for answering. I will read them now. I apologize for not seeing them earlier.
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    What does that have to do with the mailer?

    Why do I need to take the mailer down?

  • Piggybankblog

    Threatening Me Doesn’t Work
    You said: Some people try to intimidate me by threatening lawsuits or sternly worded letters from attorneys in an effort to scare me into removing posts. Those efforts have the opposite effect on me and typically lead me to spend more time further investigating what I originally wrote about. It’s actually coincidental, I find myself refocusing on the subject when I have to go back and review the original post in dispute.
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    Answer: Did you hear that judge? It is not going to work if you threaten him (wink). Oh it will work Steven. Trust me, when the judge tells you to take it down, it better scare you if you do not (lol) It will work when the judge tells you to do it.
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    You said: If you still want to take a run at me legally, send me a nasty gram or a cease and desist letter, then you should contact the lawyer for myself, my company and this site, Chris Livingston. Mr. Livingston is a tough consumer advocacy attorney that aggressively represents me. Chris Livingston Esq., 2154 Dowd Dairy Road, White Oak NC 28399, 910 866 4948. And if you’d like to find out what his favorite ammo or weapons are, you can visit his site. Mr. Livingston is exactly what every liberal consumer advocate writer needs; a tough, gun toting, in your face, take no prisoners, lawyer.
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    Answer: Actually, I just looked up your attorney. Tough? (lol) Please! Are you trying to scare people away from making you liable? I happen to think I am kind of tough myself (lol) You can only imagine the attorney that I have in mind for this venture! (lol) It appears your attorney has a past (lol) I cannot believe your attorney would ever allow you to talk about Sean Rutledge, after what I just read about him (lol). Did you hire my cousin Viney? (lol) It looks like he actually “aggressively” got himself in some trouble with the law (lol). He could barely defend himself, so how is it that you think he is going to defend you? If this guy is the reason that you are not afraid…….be afraid Steven! LOL
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGTHING BACK!
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    One more thing about the video. It was and is news. Check the Smoking Gun that posted it just three days ago. Or how about ABC News that just published information about it?

    Oh yes, then there is this link on ABC News and Channel 13 in central Florida as well.

  • Steve Rhode

    Already answered.

  • Piggybankblog

    “I encourage anyone that may disagree with something I’ve written to post their point of view or opinion in the comments to that post. An exchange of ideas is always beneficial and while I may see something as red, someone else might see it as green. Let’s talk about it.”
    .

    Well, here I am and I am ready to talk? Steve, why are displaying that youtube of that clearly traumatized child on your page?

  • Steve Rhode

    Misdirection.

    What does that have to do with the mailer?

    The video is about an internet issue that has been seen by millions and posted with the consent of her parents, who are actually in it. The second video addresses the issue.

    So what was your question about the terms?

    And the description under the video describes why it is there. You forgot to put it into context.

    “When you respond in the wrong way with attacks and flames it only makes you look worse and convinces people you have something to hide or deflect. You can see how this YouTube video makes the girl and her father appear, not all that great. (By the way, if you want to see the whole story of this event with the before and after video and are willing to hear some curse words, click here.)

    Then you wind up with responses like the one below and flame wars ensues, the issue creates a life of it’s own, more people find it and loads of people jump in.”

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve, I just read the terms page. WTF is up with the video with the kid? This child was totally traumatized and upset! I only watch one of the youtubes, but I stunned! Please tell me that you did not have something to do with this? This was a child dude!? Is there something I am missing in this?
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    Are you kidding me! This is abuse Steve! I have my mouth wide open right now!
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
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    You always make me explain myself, but now I think you have some explaining to do! Are you kidding me!!!?
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    There’s is something wrong with this site. I cannot believe this! Why would proudly display a victim of a child who has apparently been abused?
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    What question?

  • Steve Rhode

    Be specific.

  • Steve Rhode

    You were the one that said the first 1012 mailer I published was an unethical mailer, not me. Check your own previous comment to see why you called these type of mailers

    I do have a wide latitude on free speech as evidenced by all the false and untrue postings you have made about me on this site and yours. I never removed your unfair and untrue comments.

    I’m not sure what you are referring to as abuse though. What on this article is abusive?

    What am I not being fair about?

  • Piggybankblog

    What is interesting here is that you are talking about Vito ignoring you, but I am getting the impression you are ignoring my questions?
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    I have not ignored any of yours?

  • Piggybankblog

    Sorry about the chopped up reply by the way. I am on day two with no sleep, because I am working again ;)
    .
    John

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve,
    .
    Have you had an attorney sign off on your terms? I can already tell you that some of the thing I am reading it are nothing other than a smoke screen, but are totally not enforceable. There is also some language that is in that implies you have to show it to the person before they are allowed access.
    .
    Where did you get these terms from?
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    Well, I certainly cannot answer for Vito, but I remember one of the people there saying that they felt you were not being fair, even though they were providing you with information. I do not know the specifics on that, as well as I do not know if this is the reason he is not answering you.
    .
    However, I am interested. Was it something the flyer said? I am not against mail outs, as long as it is the truth. What seemed to be the issue?
    .
    Say, I am going through you terms right now Steve, and I noticed that you said that you would remove statements when it was abuse. You have not concluded that the person who left those false insinuations was abuse, after they could not quote what law it was that I was breaking? Regardless of your terms, your site and you are responsible for what you allow to be posted on it at all times. So can you please be clear with me here why you are not removing that persons statements that were clearly abuse?
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    Even though claims were made the mailer did not come from Brookstone, a reader who recently received one, and sent it in, says they called the number and was then connected to a Brookstone representative.

    See the update on the article for the new scanned mailer. I emailed Vito six hours ago for an explanation why the new mailer would lead to Brookstone and I have not heard back yet.

  • Steve Rhode

    Update

    I just added a new copy of a Form 1012-R mailer that appears just like the first one I published in the article, The reader who sent it in said.

    “I received a form 1012-R from Civil Litigation Department 1000 Bristol Street North #17-110 Newport Beach, CA. 92660; the notice instructed me to call 1-800-985-5261 for further details; i called the number and and then arranged for me to speak to a person whose name was David Hamilton who works for Brookstone law as a client service representative and his contact number is 1-800-946-8655 Ext. 445; he explained what their law firm does and convinced me to send a copy of one of my home loans and proof of title to my residence as one of their requirements to qualify for the Mass Joinder litigation lawsuit. He discussed the Paul Ronald vs. Bank of America and Wright vs. Bank of America case with me. After speaking to him, he then instructed me that another person from brookstone law firm will contact me in an hour or two. Soon enough, a Carl Centerfold ( i’m not sure how he spells his name), who works in the quality control department for Brookstone law, contacted me and ask me more questions”

    Based on that information, despite what some commenters may have claimed, it does appear the original mailer did lead to Brookstone Law as I wondered.

  • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

    Update

    I just added a new copy of a Form 1012-R mailer that appears just like the first one I published in the article, The reader who sent it in said.

    “I received a form 1012-R from Civil Litigation Department 1000 Bristol Street North #17-110 Newport Beach, CA. 92660; the notice instructed me to call 1-800-985-5261 for further details; i called the number and and then arranged for me to speak to a person whose name was David Hamilton who works for Brookstone law as a client service representative and his contact number is 1-800-946-8655 Ext. 445; he explained what their law firm does and convinced me to send a copy of one of my home loans and proof of title to my residence as one of their requirements to qualify for the Mass Joinder litigation lawsuit. He discussed the Paul Ronald vs. Bank of America and Wright vs. Bank of America case with me. After speaking to him, he then instructed me that another person from brookstone law firm will contact me in an hour or two. Soon enough, a Carl Centerfold ( i’m not sure how he spells his name), who works in the quality control department for Brookstone law, contacted me and ask me more questions”

    Based on that information, despite what some commenters may have claimed, it does appear the original mailer did lead to Brookstone Law as I wondered.

  • Gstewy1

    I currently have a loan from GMAC. It was purchased from Direct Equity Mtg LLC when I refinanced my loan about 1 yr ago. When I called the 1-877 number a person who gave me his first and last name said he was representing the firm, Matthew K. Davis Mass Litigation Alliance. My form is an H-118, not a 1012-R like I’ve read about. My loan is not in default, but when I spoke to them, they told me the company who wrote my loan, Direct Equity, was in trouble for writing fraudulent loans and I could be entitled to a settlement, have my principle loan amount reduced to 80% of a newly appraised value which would be set for the next 30 yrs. at 2% interest, the difference would be completely eliminated, or get my house for free due to the banks not being able to provide the documents as to who owns the loan. He asked for my email so he can send me a link to the website where i can read more about this so called “Class Action Lawsuit”. He proceeded to tell me they have settled over 2200 cases of which, not one case was lost due to mediation talks with the lenders, and the ones that were contested by the lender, the property owners got to keep they’re homes due to lack of documentation as to who owns the loan. The cost to me is $2350.00 of which only half up front is due to start the ball rolling. When they receive half of my retainer fee, that’s what he called it, the would send a “Demand for Record” request which the lender has 45 days to respond by sending all the documents pertaining to my loan to the law firm for review. If discrepencies or fraudulent statements are made within the loan docs, then they will proceed to take action against the lender as soon as they receive the other half of my retainer fee. Does this sound like the same thing?

  • Steve Rhode

    It goes out on feeds to various places so it’s already out there.

  • Rob

    so no delete ability ?

  • Steve Rhode

    Too late. Already out there.

  • Rob

    attorney asked to hide that last post til after the police and bar took care of it

  • Steve Rhode

    I’m not surprised.

  • Rob

    well called the attorney that was susposeddly working with precision law center and he was unaware that he was working with them , remembers being approached about something like this but doesnt know who precicion law or alexander cortez .

  • Rob

    i told him i was posting this info and he had no problems with me posting
    and asked when this works to post his # so anyone else that needs help can contact him and get the same assistance i got

  • Rob

    very much the same, but didnt finish it before he caaled me back

  • Steve Rhode

    You might want to read my secret shopper call on this and let me know if the promises made sound familiar.

  • Rob

    5 k retainer and 30% of any damages awarded up to 75 k

  • Steve Rhode

    Is he going to take on the case or put you in another case?

    How much does he want to charge and what percentage does he want if he wins?

  • Rob

    he called me back and talking to him now

  • Rob

    and yes he did pitch to join it

  • Rob

    attorneys name is michael ayaz

  • Steve Rhode

    So did they pitch you a mass joinder suit with them or with someone else?

  • Rob

    bank of america

  • Steve Rhode

    That’s the first time I’ve heard about Precision Law Center.

    Who is your mortgage with? Which lender?

    Steve

  • Rob

    received a mailer on Saturday about this exact thing , 1012-r form and all is almost identical to what you posted . When i called the number i spoke with Alexander Cortez at Precision Law Center in Los Angles ( or orange county wasn’t clear ) gave me a great pitch and all but sounded far to good to be true so i asked for PH # and did some checking . PrecisionLawCenter.com is their web site but otherwise i cant find anything on them .. are they even connected to this or just a marketing company trying to sell me to 1 of the companies ?

  • Steve Rhode

    Trust you gut on this. If this approach proves to be valid there will be other lawyers and other cases. There is no evidence this effort will prevail in the claims made.

  • Sayinghello

    3-12-11: I received one of these 2 days ago. It indicates it’s related to “The People vs CTX Mortgage Company LLC” and is a “Litigation Notification” regarding a “pending” mass joinder case.
    The telephone number is 1-877-266-0110, but there is NO company of any type listed as the source on this mailer. It simply says “Litigation Department” in field c. When I called yesterday indicating that I would like to know more about this mailer, the young man said he was very busy: “Oops. I’m receiving a fax right now. If it’s OK, I’ll call you back in 5 minutes. Your number is….(from a caller ID).” He never called back.

    Looks suspicious to me. I would appreciate more information about this from a reputable source. My pessimistic side says they will try to convince me to spend legal fees for this.

    DH

  • Sayinghello

    3-12-11: I received one of these 2 days ago. It indicates it’s related to “The People vs CTX Mortgage Company LLC” and is a “Litigation Notification” regarding a “pending” mass joinder case.
    The telephone number is 1-877-266-0110, but there is NO company of any type listed as the source on this mailer. It simply says “Litigation Department” in field c. When I called yesterday indicating that I would like to know more about this mailer, the young man said he was very busy: “Oops. I’m receiving a fax right now. If it’s OK, I’ll call you back in 5 minutes. Your number is….(from a caller ID).” He never called back.

    Looks suspicious to me. I would appreciate more information about this from a reputable source. My pessimistic side says they will try to convince me to spend legal fees for this.

    DH

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Trust you gut on this. If this approach proves to be valid there will be other lawyers and other cases. There is no evidence this effort will prevail in the claims made.

      • Rob

        received a mailer on Saturday about this exact thing , 1012-r form and all is almost identical to what you posted . When i called the number i spoke with Alexander Cortez at Precision Law Center in Los Angles ( or orange county wasn’t clear ) gave me a great pitch and all but sounded far to good to be true so i asked for PH # and did some checking . PrecisionLawCenter.com is their web site but otherwise i cant find anything on them .. are they even connected to this or just a marketing company trying to sell me to 1 of the companies ?

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        That’s the first time I’ve heard about Precision Law Center.

        Who is your mortgage with? Which lender?

        Steve

      • Rob

        bank of america

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        So did they pitch you a mass joinder suit with them or with someone else?

      • Rob

        attorneys name is michael ayaz

      • Rob

        and yes he did pitch to join it

      • Rob

        he called me back and talking to him now

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Is he going to take on the case or put you in another case?

        How much does he want to charge and what percentage does he want if he wins?

      • Rob

        5 k retainer and 30% of any damages awarded up to 75 k

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        You might want to read my secret shopper call on this and let me know if the promises made sound familiar.

      • Rob

        very much the same, but didnt finish it before he caaled me back

      • Rob

        i told him i was posting this info and he had no problems with me posting
        and asked when this works to post his # so anyone else that needs help can contact him and get the same assistance i got

      • Rob

        well called the attorney that was susposeddly working with precision law center and he was unaware that he was working with them , remembers being approached about something like this but doesnt know who precicion law or alexander cortez .

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        I’m not surprised.

      • Rob

        attorney asked to hide that last post til after the police and bar took care of it

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Too late. Already out there.

      • Rob

        so no delete ability ?

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        It goes out on feeds to various places so it’s already out there.

      • Gstewy1

        I currently have a loan from GMAC. It was purchased from Direct Equity Mtg LLC when I refinanced my loan about 1 yr ago. When I called the 1-877 number a person who gave me his first and last name said he was representing the firm, Matthew K. Davis Mass Litigation Alliance. My form is an H-118, not a 1012-R like I’ve read about. My loan is not in default, but when I spoke to them, they told me the company who wrote my loan, Direct Equity, was in trouble for writing fraudulent loans and I could be entitled to a settlement, have my principle loan amount reduced to 80% of a newly appraised value which would be set for the next 30 yrs. at 2% interest, the difference would be completely eliminated, or get my house for free due to the banks not being able to provide the documents as to who owns the loan. He asked for my email so he can send me a link to the website where i can read more about this so called “Class Action Lawsuit”. He proceeded to tell me they have settled over 2200 cases of which, not one case was lost due to mediation talks with the lenders, and the ones that were contested by the lender, the property owners got to keep they’re homes due to lack of documentation as to who owns the loan. The cost to me is $2350.00 of which only half up front is due to start the ball rolling. When they receive half of my retainer fee, that’s what he called it, the would send a “Demand for Record” request which the lender has 45 days to respond by sending all the documents pertaining to my loan to the law firm for review. If discrepencies or fraudulent statements are made within the loan docs, then they will proceed to take action against the lender as soon as they receive the other half of my retainer fee. Does this sound like the same thing?

      • Momindublin

        Steve,
        Just received a mailer from Precision Law Center. My mortgage is with American Home Mortgage Servicing Inc.. I spoke with Darryl Washington who is sending me an email and cd. They said the Atty will call me tomorrow. I am very lucky I found your website. Can you tell me about this? I am a single mom and cannot afford to lose. Thanks, Kris

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Let’s wait for the pitch and then report back here in the comments. You need to keep in mind there is no guarantee and any suit will most likely take years. But I’m most intrigued by what their sales pitch is and the claims they make.

  • Steve Rhode

    Just posted new mailer from Mesa Law Group. Still Form 1012-R mailer. You can see it here.

  • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

    Just posted new mailer from Mesa Law Group. Still Form 1012-R mailer. You can see it here.

  • Steve Rhode

    Funny, you made that connection. You are exactly right. The path did go from Sub-Prime Loans Marketing -> Loan Mods -> Debt Settlement -> Mass Joinder. My concern is we are just seeing the first part of the wave here on this.

    The debt settlement marketers are desperately searching for their next area to get in to. Some thought it was going to be extended auto warranties. But based on the commissions that are being paid out in the mass joinder sales, I would bet this will be the next wave.

    What the law firms don’t have the experience to see is if they let the mass joinder marketing explode and let the bad actors in they will only screw this up for everyone. Police it now and let good people get help. Don’t police it and the result is that regulators will step in to clean it up.

    I’m with you. I’d like to follow the money as well.

  • Krista Railey

    Steve, the marketing is very similar to what I was seeing from debt settlement companies and loss mitigation firms. Many mod firms had to change their business models when advance fees were prohibited which is why they jumped on the Mass Joinder gravy train. Although many of the sites have been taken down recently, you can see that there were a large number of firms marketing the the product.

    We aren’t just talking about one or two firms and shady individuals. The reality is that is it epidemic and involves mailings, internet marketing, telemarketing, etc. This is why I am calling out the law firms- the sheer scope and magnitude of the marketing requires the interests of the public to take precedence over the firm’s image.

    I am looking for individuals who have paid money to the firms and have evidence that they paid funds to any of these firms. Specifically, I would like to follow the money trail and where the funds that homeowners have paid have gone.

    And yes, I think you are on the right path in investigating who the parties are that are behind the mass marketing and recruiting affiliates. The MO of the debt settlement and loss mitigation marketers is similar.

  • Krista Railey

    Steve, the marketing is very similar to what I was seeing from debt settlement companies and loss mitigation firms. Many mod firms had to change their business models when advance fees were prohibited which is why they jumped on the Mass Joinder gravy train. Although many of the sites have been taken down recently, you can see that there were a large number of firms marketing the the product.

    We aren’t just talking about one or two firms and shady individuals. The reality is that is it epidemic and involves mailings, internet marketing, telemarketing, etc. This is why I am calling out the law firms- the sheer scope and magnitude of the marketing requires the interests of the public to take precedence over the firm’s image.

    I am looking for individuals who have paid money to the firms and have evidence that they paid funds to any of these firms. Specifically, I would like to follow the money trail and where the funds that homeowners have paid have gone.

    And yes, I think you are on the right path in investigating who the parties are that are behind the mass marketing and recruiting affiliates. The MO of the debt settlement and loss mitigation marketers is similar.

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Funny, you made that connection. You are exactly right. The path did go from Sub-Prime Loans Marketing -> Loan Mods -> Debt Settlement -> Mass Joinder. My concern is we are just seeing the first part of the wave here on this.

      The debt settlement marketers are desperately searching for their next area to get in to. Some thought it was going to be extended auto warranties. But based on the commissions that are being paid out in the mass joinder sales, I would bet this will be the next wave.

      What the law firms don’t have the experience to see is if they let the mass joinder marketing explode and let the bad actors in they will only screw this up for everyone. Police it now and let good people get help. Don’t police it and the result is that regulators will step in to clean it up.

      I’m with you. I’d like to follow the money as well.

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Just credited you with the stimulus of this post and linked to you in “Mass Joinder & Mass Litigation Affiliate and Marketing Information” so we can put all the material in one place.

    I did make one interesting observation, the Form 1012 mailer I showed at the top of this article was sent long after after Kramer sent the C&D letters. That leads me to believe it was not one of those firms.

    Anyway, please feel free to direct anyone you may know that runs into any mass joinder marketing to post a comment over there on “Mass Joinder & Mass Litigation Affiliate and Marketing Information“.

  • Steve Rhode

    In an effort to wrap my head around all the marketing going on regarding mass joinder suits I assembled a post showing the marketing. There certainly is enough to show Stein was affiliate with Kramer. Please see “Mass Joinder & Mass Litigation Affiliate and Marketing Information

  • Piggybankblog

    I have also been told, like you, that the Wright Vs. BofA and Ronald Vs. BofA will eventually merge together in some kind of united effort. However, they are not at this time. The fact still remains that Stein represented that he had no affiliation with Kramer, while making reference to these mail outs. This would actually make Brookstone even farther removed from the Kramer and Kaslow firm, if you think about it. It is my belief that Kramer might have been affiliated with some kind of marketing company, which might have misunderstood his orders, while acting on its own. This is where I believe that the problem really begins, because there seems to be an equal but separate relationship going on with all these firms, which are now under one umbrella. Sort of like a UNITED NATIONS (wink), but all the countries are now being blamed for one countries mistake, even though they did not realize the other country in the United Nations was using this marketing firm. Now they are all under one umbrella, which a chain is only as good as it weakest link Steve, which causes a problem here.
    .
    If you want the answer to your question, all you have to do is look and see who sent the cease and desist letters.
    .
    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING THE LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD!
    .
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Is this true? “Brookstone told me that the Wright vs. bank of america case and the ronald case are going to be combined”

    See this comment that said that.

    Steve

  • Steve Rhode

    Krista,

    Here is what I beginning to think. With debt settlement sales taking a hit due to new regulations it’s beginning to look like the less than open and forthcoming marketers might have fled from that area and and running at a sprint towards the big commissions for selling mass joinder cases.

    I’ve worked in the debt world and learned a long time ago that the larger the commission the bigger the lies and misrepresentation get by marketing folks. They see the big commission hanging out there and do some really questionable things to close the deal.

    Folks that market commission sales jobs for debt relief, and now this mass joinder stuff, only invite abuse and it almost never ends well in the long run.

    I’m going to start working on an article about who I can find doing mass joinder marketing and with your help maybe we can narrow down the players.

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    I think it would be great to work on this together and solve the mystery. There are so many marketing pieces and so much dubious information flowing from marketing reps it is hard to tell what’s up.

    If we put BL and K2 aside, let’s just start from scratch. The next tip I get I’ll post it without any background work and we can solve it together.

    Do you live anywhere near Newport Beach where the mailer was sent from?

    Steve

  • Wright4ulg

    Here you go Vito: This is the link I got from Steve when he asked me a
    question. There is this huge dialog between me and him on his site, but
    this is the last one that I responded to below:

    To turn off notifications, go to: http://disqus.com/account/

  • Krista Railey

    Here are some big issues I cannot wrap my mind around are:

    1. Why didn’t Kramer clearly disclose that he was not authorized to represent Stein when the public warning was issued or he was interviewed by Andelman? Although Andelman now disowns that Kramer directed him to the Ronald vs B of A case, that does not make sense based on the content of his article. Furthermore, the link to the Ronald vs B of A case in Andelman’s article is a K2 Law website. Check out his blog and click on the link to the case and you will see that while the document isn’t there anymore, the link is still to the K2 Law website. (Note: I printed the source code to the site to a pdf document in case he changes it).

    2. Why did Stein not post clear warnings and his website that he was not affiliated to Kramer et al, and simply state that Brookstone is the only authorized law firm to work with him on the Ronald B of A case? I’m sure you’ve seen Stein’s site and know what I mean about the vague warning.

    3. Why did Kramer & Kaslow initially show Hartford Dunn and Brookstone Law as approved Of Counsel firms on their website? Why did Kramer & Kaslow’s site show Hartford Dunn as an Approved National intake partner?

    4. Why did Stein not send out his own Cease & Desist letters, bring this to regulator’s attention, or immediately file for TROs on all of the companies?

    Now Stein is working with Brookstone Law in connection with the Ronald vs B of A case. What bothers me about this is that while Stein does show support for Brookstone and has a link to them on his website, Facebook and Twitter account, there is no record of Stein directly and publicly acknowledging his involvement Brookstone. The announcements have all come from Brookstone.

    I’m concerned that there is a marketing firm in the middle that is sending out the mailers and signing up affiliates. There has been buzz on the internet and other sites, that the marketing firm involves Chris Fox who used to work for Green Credit Solutions.

    None of this passes the reasonableness test. Furthermore, Vito at Brookstone has already acknowledged that Damian Kutzner (who has a checkered past) from United Law Group (see Steve’s prior articles) is a Brookstone Employee.

  • Krista Railey

    Here are some big issues I cannot wrap my mind around are:

    1. Why didn’t Kramer clearly disclose that he was not authorized to represent Stein when the public warning was issued or he was interviewed by Andelman? Although Andelman now disowns that Kramer directed him to the Ronald vs B of A case, that does not make sense based on the content of his article. Furthermore, the link to the Ronald vs B of A case in Andelman’s article is a K2 Law website. Check out his blog and click on the link to the case and you will see that while the document isn’t there anymore, the link is still to the K2 Law website. (Note: I printed the source code to the site to a pdf document in case he changes it).

    2. Why did Stein not post clear warnings and his website that he was not affiliated to Kramer et al, and simply state that Brookstone is the only authorized law firm to work with him on the Ronald B of A case? I’m sure you’ve seen Stein’s site and know what I mean about the vague warning.

    3. Why did Kramer & Kaslow initially show Hartford Dunn and Brookstone Law as approved Of Counsel firms on their website? Why did Kramer & Kaslow’s site show Hartford Dunn as an Approved National intake partner?

    4. Why did Stein not send out his own Cease & Desist letters, bring this to regulator’s attention, or immediately file for TROs on all of the companies?

    Now Stein is working with Brookstone Law in connection with the Ronald vs B of A case. What bothers me about this is that while Stein does show support for Brookstone and has a link to them on his website, Facebook and Twitter account, there is no record of Stein directly and publicly acknowledging his involvement Brookstone. The announcements have all come from Brookstone.

    I’m concerned that there is a marketing firm in the middle that is sending out the mailers and signing up affiliates. There has been buzz on the internet and other sites, that the marketing firm involves Chris Fox who used to work for Green Credit Solutions.

    None of this passes the reasonableness test. Furthermore, Vito at Brookstone has already acknowledged that Damian Kutzner (who has a checkered past) from United Law Group (see Steve’s prior articles) is a Brookstone Employee.

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Krista,

      Here is what I beginning to think. With debt settlement sales taking a hit due to new regulations it’s beginning to look like the less than open and forthcoming marketers might have fled from that area and and running at a sprint towards the big commissions for selling mass joinder cases.

      I’ve worked in the debt world and learned a long time ago that the larger the commission the bigger the lies and misrepresentation get by marketing folks. They see the big commission hanging out there and do some really questionable things to close the deal.

      Folks that market commission sales jobs for debt relief, and now this mass joinder stuff, only invite abuse and it almost never ends well in the long run.

      I’m going to start working on an article about who I can find doing mass joinder marketing and with your help maybe we can narrow down the players.

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      In an effort to wrap my head around all the marketing going on regarding mass joinder suits I assembled a post showing the marketing. There certainly is enough to show Stein was affiliate with Kramer. Please see “Mass Joinder & Mass Litigation Affiliate and Marketing Information

  • Piggybankblog

    I meant to say: “This is why in my mind it can only be one of FOUR things.”

  • Piggybankblog

    LOL! Thank you for using “BL” reference Steve. I was scratching my head, because I was thinking to myself “It is not “BL,” but it is “BS!” (LOL) Thank you for not putting “BS” as a reference (lol).
    .
    Anyway, what people do not realize, is that Mesa Law Group and all these other ones were sending out these mail outs, while saying they had the authority of Kramer and Kaslow to do it. This is why you see their name on it. However, Kramer responded by sending out a cease and desist letter to all of them (the attachment I gave you showing cease and desist). However, Stein was claiming that they DID NOT have his authority to send these mail outs, and THERE IS NO AFFILIATION BETWEEN STEIN AND KRAMER (court transcript). So then we come to find out that Kramer and Kaslow apparently did not even have the authority to give them permission in the first place (court transcripts), simply because Stein was representing that he had NO AFFILIATION WITH KRAMER. However, I do know one thing for sure, and that is that Kramer did have some kind of affiliation with Stein in the beginning, but just not maybe in the context of all these mail outs. This is because I know they were working side by side at the beginning of this case, and this is where I believe the confusion starts and the ball starts bouncing. It starts with whatever relationship Stein had with Kramer in the beginning. Some have said that Kramer exaggerated this relationship, but only Stein and Kramer know if that is true. Another person told me that Kramer went around holding seminars, as a way to pull these little companies in, such as Mesa Law Group, while exaggerating his relationship with Stein. This is totally unconfirmed at this time, but is why I want to interview Kramer. However, he has not returned my calls, which might be because he is afraid he might end up with a piggy nose at the end of it (lol). As you know, my interviews are not meant for the faint-hearted (lol).
    .
    Now, you might be thinking what I am thinking, which is how did all these companies send this stuff out, if they did not have the authority to do so? I mean, maybe one would make this miskate, but all of them? What is the likelihood that they would all misunderstand Kramer? Not very likely in my book, but I am forced to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    .
    This is why in my mind it can only be one of three things:
    1. They must have of ALL misunderstood Mr. Kramer (unlikely)
    2. Kramer must have misunderstood Stein and Brookstone (likely)
    3. Kramer, Stein and BL all planned it to end up just like this. (Very unlikely) (All parties would not gain)
    4. Kramer is lying.
    .
    With all that being said, the simple fact is that I am the plaintiff of the Wright Vs. BofA case. Therefore, I know exactly what BL is thinking about it, which is they are pissed off. This is because they had nothing to do with it. This is why I was already protesting against these companies, even before you had this article on your page. This is why my investigation would even conclude that some on the cease and desist list had nothing to do with it, but simply were sent a cease and desist because they were linked to the Madelman Matters story on their page. This would imply that Kramer had not idea exactly which ones were doing it, but was using due diligence to correct the situation.
    .
    You see Steve, I think you are on to something. In fact, I think that you, myself and Martin Andelman (Madelman Matters) are all on to something. This is because we have all individually reported on this, which means that there has to be something there. However, we all three came up with different scenarios and conclusions. This is why all three of us should unite on a story in the future, because I think that we could make a very powerful investigative team. Instead of looking at our differences, we should all three focus on what we have in common, which is that we are all here to protect the homeowner first and foremost, even though I am also here to promote my lawsuit too. Nevertheless, I think that this kind of alliance would allow us all three to keep our eyes on the stars, while we keep our feet firmly on the ground with our conclusions. We owe our public this kind of due diligence, but we also owe it to the people that we are implicating. This is because peoples reputations and money are on the line, and we have to be respectful of that fact alone. As you tend to conclude sometimes too fast that it is BL, I tend to conclude maybe too fast that it is Kramer and Kaslow and Mass Litigation.
    .
    The problem is that at the end of the day it is like a Kennedy assignation. What I mean, is that there are several theories that can work, but there is only one truth. Though I am not here to claim that I know everything about how this transpired, I do know that BL had nothing to do with it. This is because I talk to them all the time about my case, and they are clearly pissed off at whoever did this. This was way before it anybody even really knew it had happened.
    .
    At the end of the day, all roads lead to Rome, which is meant to mean that all roads lead to Kramer and Kaslow.
    .
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    OK, I went and took a look at Mesa Law and I don’t think so and here is why. The majority of the cases listed on the mailer at the top of the article, were filed by Kramer & Kaslow. Your case is the odd ball on the mailer.

    Here is the issue that trips me up.

    1. You said on your site “Please be advised that Brookstone Law Firm is the only Authorized Distributor” of Wright v Bank of America. – Source. I found that while I was checking out the Mesa thing. So I read that as no other firm can sell entrance into your case.

    2. The press release above said that BL was contracted to aggregate clients into the Kramer & Kaslow cases listed on your card. – Source. So there is some relationship between K2 and BL.

    3. Kramer & Kaslow sent out a somewhat similar mailer using the Form 1012 approach.

    From that a logical conclusion is if BL is the only distributor of Wright v BoA and “has contracted to aggregate members for other suits” then there is a high degree of probability that BL may have a relationship to the mailer. (So you can see that my article was founded in logic, not an agenda.)

    - or –

    The mailer is a total fraud only intended to screw consumers by putting them in touch with another entity not authorized to represent your case.

    - or -

    K2 sent out the mailer and is authorized by BL to sell entrance into your case, even though you said BL is the only authorized distributor. (The least logical answer since you already said they are not authorized.)

    Please let me know if my logic was flawed. Together we can solve the mystery.

  • Wright4ulg

    I see. I have to admit, I do get a little confused with the format of your site, as I am not used to it. For example, this response you made did not come to my email, but I had to scroll up to find it. So I might be reading one place, while I am posting at another.
    .
    JW

  • Wright4ulg

    I think I forgot to answer your main question. I think it is “Mesa Law Group, if I am looking at the correct one.

    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    So today I published an article that showed the amount of “finder fee” that is being paid out.

    The affiliates get to set or adjust the price but there is retail pricing for mass joinder suits being sold. According to the documents I published, an affiliate that charges a $7,000 retainer gets $4,750 kicked back. That’s a hell of a finders fee.

    I’m still curious who you think sent out the mailer that featured your case. Is anyone other than Brookstone Law selling entrance to your case? To be clear, I’m not pointing the finger at Brookstone Law.

    I guess I’m perplexed at what reasonable explanation could there be why your case is on a mailer even you called an “unethical mass mailing.”

    I’m not trying to name anyone, I’m trying to solve the mystery of the mailer and I sure could use your help to get to the bottom of it.

    Can you help me?

    Steve

  • Wright4ulg

    I have absolute concerns Steve. This is because people will get angry at me, if these places screw up, which I have nothing to do with, just like Brookstone has nothing to do with them. Certainly, I do not want to think that anyone is being victimized, while my name is being used, so it really bothers me a lot. This is because all we have at the end of the day is our name, and why I have actually went after them in protest. That is why in retrospect, I am kind of happy that you did write this article, so that I can get the word out.
    .
    Here is one of the more recent ones I went after:
    .
    http://www.piggybankblog.com/2
    .
    A lot of times people get “finder’s fees,” so they will set up companies to just do just that. I of course never asked for a finder’s fee, because I realized that it could compromise the integrity of my case, which is the most important thing to me. Nevertheless, I think they do it because it is a name that people might recognize immediately. For example, some of my supporters fell for it. Then after the firm comes up with some reason for why the person cannot be in that lawsuit, they will just simply create a new lawsuit for them to be in. They basically hijacked the people from a popular lawsuit, simply because they do not have to do much marketing because it has already been done. Let’s face it, as funny as it sounds, lawsuits like this do have to be marketed, which is why a law firm like Brookstone will charge a retainer. Though I am absolutely sure that there is an element of it that is for the money, such any business is about, I do believe that it is very expensive to go up against the largest bank in the world.
    .
    However, there is an acceptable classy way to market a lawsuit vs. a cheesy deceptive way to market it, such as these were here. I of course do my own marketing, as far as letting people know about it, while I spend my own money on it. This is part of the reason why they did not make me pay the retainer the second time around. They also felt sorry for me too.
    .
    Even considering that I am pissed off at the deceptive marketing that was used to maybe trick these people, who wanted to be fighting alongside me, my first and foremost concern is for the homeowner. So I do not want to shut them down because people would lose their money. I rather just make sure that it does not happen anymore, but also make sure they are planning on representing these people.
    .
    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING THE LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD!
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Previously forgot to ask. Do you have some concern that the mailer above appears to feature your case, Wright v Bank of America as the one that appears most indicated for the recipient with a *X?

    Who do you think is recruiting new participants in your lawsuit with this mailer?

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Do you think the soon to be announced settlement between the government and banks will impact mass joinder cases?

    See Obama officials, attorneys general closer to possible deal with banks in foreclosure mess.

    “Senior Obama administration officials, newly joined by state attorneys general, were on the brink Thursday of finalizing major elements of a possible settlement with large U.S. banks accused of flawed and fraudulent foreclosure practices, sources familiar with the discussions said.” – Source

  • Steve Rhode

    I have no axe to grind with Brookstone. I did not hunt down the mailer, it was sent to me. I simply reported on what it appeared the facts were. If you dispute any of the facts I’ve reported I’m happy to talk about them specifically.

    A search did not locate another source which reported on the majority of the cases in the mailer. If you can find one, let me know. Here is what I found when I searched.

    What in my report was false?

    The story also mentioned Hartford Dunn, and Kramer & Kaslow. This article was not about Brookstone, it is about the mailer.

    John, I get the fact that your most pressing issue is that you don’t want anything to “damage” your lawsuit. But this piece had nothing to do with Brookstone or your suit. I did not name Brookstone as the responsible party.

    What I said was that when you entered the cases on the mailer into a search it came up with Brookstone Law press releases and I linked to the one I saw. Here it is again.

    Let me be clear, I HAVE NO AGENDA AGAINST BROOKSTONE LAW.

  • Wright4ulg

    Though you are correct that there are these sort of unethical mass marketing tactics out there, I think it is fair to mention that NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN FROM BROOKSTONE, but are from companies that have already clearly been identified as having nothing to do with even the attorney on record:
    .
    Court Transcript: http://www.johnwrightvsbofa.co
    .
    As I am sure you already know (?), this would lead to the firm Kramer and Kaslow having to send out cease and desist letters to these companies that were fraudulently been marketing to people, which WAS NOT BROOKSTONE.
    .
    Krame and Kaslow: http://www.kramerkaslowpc.com/
    .
    This is why I have actually exposed these companies on my blog, simply because they have been causing confusion in the market place, such as your article is now doing. At any rate, I have issued a public warning on my blog at the following link:
    .
    http://www.piggybankblog.com/c
    .
    Steve, these MAIL OUTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BROOKSTONE LAW GROUP. Though I appreciate that you and I have buried the hatchet, and that we have maybe started a future friendship between our blogs, I have to advise you that your constant false allegations towards Brookstone are discouraging. This is because you are doing damage to the name of the law firm that is representing me, and in retrospect doing damage to my lawsuit.
    .
    Therefore, please see the back and front of these mail outs, so you can clearly see that it was MESA LAW GROUP and not Brookstone:
    .
    Piggybankblog.com link: http://www.piggybankblog.com/2
    .
    With that being said, I am not sure what beef you have with Brookstone, or the people that work there, but I fear you might be poking a tiger in a cage (Brookstone), if you keep turning them into a victim, such as your article and comments tend to do here at your blog. It would be different if this was the first article that you had ever written about them, but it is not. This is why I am certain it is only going to appear that you have it out for them, if you do not just leave them alone. Considering all the damage that you have done to them with these kind of false allegations, it is highly suggested that you just leave their name out of your articles in the future. This is because I think you owe that to them, since you have falsely accused them so many times. So please re-consider whatever agenda it is that you might have against Brookstone, because it is not fair to them, but ultimately it is not fair to my lawsuit either. This is because it was these kind of damaging misrepresentation of facts, which ruined the credibility of the firm that was representing me in the previous lawsuit I had.
    .
    In conclusion, I am respectfully requesting that you please correct these mistakes in this article, but that you also maybe consider writing your next article about some of the nice things Brookstone has done, such as they have represented some people with disabilities for absolutely no charge.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Anonymous

    Though you are correct that there are these sort of unethical mass marketing tactics out there, I think it is fair to mention that NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN FROM BROOKSTONE, but are from companies that have already clearly been identified as having nothing to do with even the attorney on record:
    .
    Court Transcript: http://www.johnwrightvsbofa.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/transcript.pdf
    .
    As I am sure you already know (?), this would lead to the firm Kramer and Kaslow having to send out cease and desist letters to these companies that were fraudulently been marketing to people, which WAS NOT BROOKSTONE.
    .
    Krame and Kaslow: http://www.kramerkaslowpc.com/news.html
    .
    This is why I have actually exposed these companies on my blog, simply because they have been causing confusion in the market place, such as your article is now doing. At any rate, I have issued a public warning on my blog at the following link:
    .
    http://www.piggybankblog.com/category/warning-not-affiliated-with-us/
    .
    Steve, these MAIL OUTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BROOKSTONE LAW GROUP. Though I appreciate that you and I have buried the hatchet, and that we have maybe started a future friendship between our blogs, I have to advise you that your constant false allegations towards Brookstone are discouraging. This is because you are doing damage to the name of the law firm that is representing me, and in retrospect doing damage to my lawsuit.
    .
    Therefore, please see the back and front of these mail outs, so you can clearly see that it was MESA LAW GROUP and not Brookstone:
    .
    Piggybankblog.com link: http://www.piggybankblog.com/2000/01/01/imposters/
    .
    With that being said, I am not sure what beef you have with Brookstone, or the people that work there, but I fear you might be poking a tiger in a cage (Brookstone), if you keep turning them into a victim, such as your article and comments tend to do here at your blog. It would be different if this was the first article that you had ever written about them, but it is not. This is why I am certain it is only going to appear that you have it out for them, if you do not just leave them alone. Considering all the damage that you have done to them with these kind of false allegations, it is highly suggested that you just leave their name out of your articles in the future. This is because I think you owe that to them, since you have falsely accused them so many times. So please re-consider whatever agenda it is that you might have against Brookstone, because it is not fair to them, but ultimately it is not fair to my lawsuit either. This is because it was these kind of damaging misrepresentation of facts, which ruined the credibility of the firm that was representing me in the previous lawsuit I had.
    .
    In conclusion, I am respectfully requesting that you please correct these mistakes in this article, but that you also maybe consider writing your next article about some of the nice things Brookstone has done, such as they have represented some people with disabilities for absolutely no charge.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      I have no axe to grind with Brookstone. I did not hunt down the mailer, it was sent to me. I simply reported on what it appeared the facts were. If you dispute any of the facts I’ve reported I’m happy to talk about them specifically.

      A search did not locate another source which reported on the majority of the cases in the mailer. If you can find one, let me know. Here is what I found when I searched.

      What in my report was false?

      The story also mentioned Hartford Dunn, and Kramer & Kaslow. This article was not about Brookstone, it is about the mailer.

      John, I get the fact that your most pressing issue is that you don’t want anything to “damage” your lawsuit. But this piece had nothing to do with Brookstone or your suit. I did not name Brookstone as the responsible party.

      What I said was that when you entered the cases on the mailer into a search it came up with Brookstone Law press releases and I linked to the one I saw. Here it is again.

      Let me be clear, I HAVE NO AGENDA AGAINST BROOKSTONE LAW.

      • Anonymous

        I see. I have to admit, I do get a little confused with the format of your site, as I am not used to it. For example, this response you made did not come to my email, but I had to scroll up to find it. So I might be reading one place, while I am posting at another.
        .
        JW

      • Piggybankblog

        I have a question?
        .
        Why have you not devoted this amount of time to any of the other law firms out there?
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      John,Do you think the soon to be announced settlement between the government and banks will impact mass joinder cases?See Obama officials, attorneys general closer to possible deal with banks in foreclosure mess.”Senior Obama administration officials, newly joined by state attorneys general, were on the brink Thursday of finalizing major elements of a possible settlement with large U.S. banks accused of flawed and fraudulent foreclosure practices, sources familiar with the discussions said.” – Source

      • Piggybankblog

        yes

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      John,

      Previously forgot to ask. Do you have some concern that the mailer above appears to feature your case, Wright v Bank of America as the one that appears most indicated for the recipient with a *X?

      Who do you think is recruiting new participants in your lawsuit with this mailer?

      • Anonymous

        I have absolute concerns Steve. This is because people will get angry at me, if these places screw up, which I have nothing to do with, just like Brookstone has nothing to do with them. Certainly, I do not want to think that anyone is being victimized, while my name is being used, so it really bothers me a lot. This is because all we have at the end of the day is our name, and why I have actually went after them in protest. That is why in retrospect, I am kind of happy that you did write this article, so that I can get the word out.
        .
        Here is one of the more recent ones I went after:
        .
        http://www.piggybankblog.com/2003/09/09/masslitalliance-com/
        .
        A lot of times people get “finder’s fees,” so they will set up companies to just do just that. I of course never asked for a finder’s fee, because I realized that it could compromise the integrity of my case, which is the most important thing to me. Nevertheless, I think they do it because it is a name that people might recognize immediately. For example, some of my supporters fell for it. Then after the firm comes up with some reason for why the person cannot be in that lawsuit, they will just simply create a new lawsuit for them to be in. They basically hijacked the people from a popular lawsuit, simply because they do not have to do much marketing because it has already been done. Let’s face it, as funny as it sounds, lawsuits like this do have to be marketed, which is why a law firm like Brookstone will charge a retainer. Though I am absolutely sure that there is an element of it that is for the money, such any business is about, I do believe that it is very expensive to go up against the largest bank in the world.
        .
        However, there is an acceptable classy way to market a lawsuit vs. a cheesy deceptive way to market it, such as these were here. I of course do my own marketing, as far as letting people know about it, while I spend my own money on it. This is part of the reason why they did not make me pay the retainer the second time around. They also felt sorry for me too.
        .
        Even considering that I am pissed off at the deceptive marketing that was used to maybe trick these people, who wanted to be fighting alongside me, my first and foremost concern is for the homeowner. So I do not want to shut them down because people would lose their money. I rather just make sure that it does not happen anymore, but also make sure they are planning on representing these people.
        .
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING THE LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD!
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        So today I published an article that showed the amount of “finder fee” that is being paid out.

        The affiliates get to set or adjust the price but there is retail pricing for mass joinder suits being sold. According to the documents I published, an affiliate that charges a $7,000 retainer gets $4,750 kicked back. That’s a hell of a finders fee.

        I’m still curious who you think sent out the mailer that featured your case. Is anyone other than Brookstone Law selling entrance to your case? To be clear, I’m not pointing the finger at Brookstone Law.

        I guess I’m perplexed at what reasonable explanation could there be why your case is on a mailer even you called an “unethical mass mailing.”

        I’m not trying to name anyone, I’m trying to solve the mystery of the mailer and I sure could use your help to get to the bottom of it.

        Can you help me?

        Steve

      • Anonymous

        I think I forgot to answer your main question. I think it is “Mesa Law Group, if I am looking at the correct one.

        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        OK, I went and took a look at Mesa Law and I don’t think so and here is why. The majority of the cases listed on the mailer at the top of the article, were filed by Kramer & Kaslow. Your case is the odd ball on the mailer.

        Here is the issue that trips me up.

        1. You said on your site “Please be advised that Brookstone Law Firm is the only Authorized Distributor” of Wright v Bank of America. – Source. I found that while I was checking out the Mesa thing. So I read that as no other firm can sell entrance into your case.

        2. The press release above said that BL was contracted to aggregate clients into the Kramer & Kaslow cases listed on your card. – Source. So there is some relationship between K2 and BL.

        3. Kramer & Kaslow sent out a somewhat similar mailer using the Form 1012 approach.

        From that a logical conclusion is if BL is the only distributor of Wright v BoA and “has contracted to aggregate members for other suits” then there is a high degree of probability that BL may have a relationship to the mailer. (So you can see that my article was founded in logic, not an agenda.)

        - or –

        The mailer is a total fraud only intended to screw consumers by putting them in touch with another entity not authorized to represent your case.

        - or -

        K2 sent out the mailer and is authorized by BL to sell entrance into your case, even though you said BL is the only authorized distributor. (The least logical answer since you already said they are not authorized.)

        Please let me know if my logic was flawed. Together we can solve the mystery.

      • Piggybankblog

        LOL! Thank you for using “BL” reference Steve. I was scratching my head, because I was thinking to myself “It is not “BL,” but it is “BS!” (LOL) Thank you for not putting “BS” as a reference (lol).
        .
        Anyway, what people do not realize, is that Mesa Law Group and all these other ones were sending out these mail outs, while saying they had the authority of Kramer and Kaslow to do it. This is why you see their name on it. However, Kramer responded by sending out a cease and desist letter to all of them (the attachment I gave you showing cease and desist). However, Stein was claiming that they DID NOT have his authority to send these mail outs, and THERE IS NO AFFILIATION BETWEEN STEIN AND KRAMER (court transcript). So then we come to find out that Kramer and Kaslow apparently did not even have the authority to give them permission in the first place (court transcripts), simply because Stein was representing that he had NO AFFILIATION WITH KRAMER. However, I do know one thing for sure, and that is that Kramer did have some kind of affiliation with Stein in the beginning, but just not maybe in the context of all these mail outs. This is because I know they were working side by side at the beginning of this case, and this is where I believe the confusion starts and the ball starts bouncing. It starts with whatever relationship Stein had with Kramer in the beginning. Some have said that Kramer exaggerated this relationship, but only Stein and Kramer know if that is true. Another person told me that Kramer went around holding seminars, as a way to pull these little companies in, such as Mesa Law Group, while exaggerating his relationship with Stein. This is totally unconfirmed at this time, but is why I want to interview Kramer. However, he has not returned my calls, which might be because he is afraid he might end up with a piggy nose at the end of it (lol). As you know, my interviews are not meant for the faint-hearted (lol).
        .
        Now, you might be thinking what I am thinking, which is how did all these companies send this stuff out, if they did not have the authority to do so? I mean, maybe one would make this miskate, but all of them? What is the likelihood that they would all misunderstand Kramer? Not very likely in my book, but I am forced to give him the benefit of the doubt.
        .
        This is why in my mind it can only be one of three things:
        1. They must have of ALL misunderstood Mr. Kramer (unlikely)
        2. Kramer must have misunderstood Stein and Brookstone (likely)
        3. Kramer, Stein and BL all planned it to end up just like this. (Very unlikely) (All parties would not gain)
        4. Kramer is lying.
        .
        With all that being said, the simple fact is that I am the plaintiff of the Wright Vs. BofA case. Therefore, I know exactly what BL is thinking about it, which is they are pissed off. This is because they had nothing to do with it. This is why I was already protesting against these companies, even before you had this article on your page. This is why my investigation would even conclude that some on the cease and desist list had nothing to do with it, but simply were sent a cease and desist because they were linked to the Madelman Matters story on their page. This would imply that Kramer had not idea exactly which ones were doing it, but was using due diligence to correct the situation.
        .
        You see Steve, I think you are on to something. In fact, I think that you, myself and Martin Andelman (Madelman Matters) are all on to something. This is because we have all individually reported on this, which means that there has to be something there. However, we all three came up with different scenarios and conclusions. This is why all three of us should unite on a story in the future, because I think that we could make a very powerful investigative team. Instead of looking at our differences, we should all three focus on what we have in common, which is that we are all here to protect the homeowner first and foremost, even though I am also here to promote my lawsuit too. Nevertheless, I think that this kind of alliance would allow us all three to keep our eyes on the stars, while we keep our feet firmly on the ground with our conclusions. We owe our public this kind of due diligence, but we also owe it to the people that we are implicating. This is because peoples reputations and money are on the line, and we have to be respectful of that fact alone. As you tend to conclude sometimes too fast that it is BL, I tend to conclude maybe too fast that it is Kramer and Kaslow and Mass Litigation.
        .
        The problem is that at the end of the day it is like a Kennedy assignation. What I mean, is that there are several theories that can work, but there is only one truth. Though I am not here to claim that I know everything about how this transpired, I do know that BL had nothing to do with it. This is because I talk to them all the time about my case, and they are clearly pissed off at whoever did this. This was way before it anybody even really knew it had happened.
        .
        At the end of the day, all roads lead to Rome, which is meant to mean that all roads lead to Kramer and Kaslow.
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        I meant to say: “This is why in my mind it can only be one of FOUR things.”

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        I think it would be great to work on this together and solve the mystery. There are so many marketing pieces and so much dubious information flowing from marketing reps it is hard to tell what’s up.

        If we put BL and K2 aside, let’s just start from scratch. The next tip I get I’ll post it without any background work and we can solve it together.

        Do you live anywhere near Newport Beach where the mailer was sent from?

        Steve

      • Piggybankblog

        I could not live further. I live in San Jose Steve. However, I did receive an invitation to be part of my own lawsuit.
        .
        For the record, I know of no legal charges being brought against Brookstone for this mailer. Why?
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        Just posted the full declaration of Torchia in the infighting that is going on with Stein and others. Turns out he says Brookstone did send out the Form 1012 mailers for a bit. What is really interesting in his declaration is how close it appears you came to not having your case filed by Brookstone at all. Looks like Stein was supposed to be your guy.

        Please don’t read anything into my tone on this comment. I’m simply trying to update the record with new information.

        I think you will personally be very interested in the inside story. You can read the new article with Torchia’s declaration here.

      • Piggybankblog

        Hi Steve:
        .
        It appears that you are right about the mailers. I did not speak to Vito about it previously, but I had been talking to someone else there at Brookstone. I think there was a misunderstanding about what mailers that I was inquiring about from them. I think they might have thought I was talking about the Kramer mailers, but I do not know why they told me that they did not do it.
        .
        It is true that Brookstone almost did not file my lawsuit. I am not sure what you meant by Stein is my guy? However, I have to read it I guess to figure it out. I have had the declaration here for a few days, but have not found time to read it all. This is why I have not really commented on it too much on my blog.
        .
        What did you mean when you say Stein was my guy?
        .
        Also, I am also pleased with the article you have written. Nice work :)
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Stein was the guy that was paid to file your suit and it changed only at the last minute.

      • Piggybankblog

        Oh okay! That makes sense! Yah, as far as I knew, he was going to be the lead attorney at the start of it all. That is until the latest news.
        .
        That is the thing here Steve……regardless of how many might feel about Stein, he is a very good attorney. So either way I look at it, I still feel that the homeowners might have lost a hell of a litigator. There has to be a reason that Spivak initially wanted to be associated with him.
        .
        Thank you for making that clear :)
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Anonymous

        Here you go Vito: This is the link I got from Steve when he asked me a
        question. There is this huge dialog between me and him on his site, but
        this is the last one that I responded to below:

        To turn off notifications, go to: http://disqus.com/account/

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        Is this true? “Brookstone told me that the Wright vs. bank of america case and the ronald case are going to be combined”

        See this comment that said that.

        Steve

      • Piggybankblog

        I have also been told, like you, that the Wright Vs. BofA and Ronald Vs. BofA will eventually merge together in some kind of united effort. However, they are not at this time. The fact still remains that Stein represented that he had no affiliation with Kramer, while making reference to these mail outs. This would actually make Brookstone even farther removed from the Kramer and Kaslow firm, if you think about it. It is my belief that Kramer might have been affiliated with some kind of marketing company, which might have misunderstood his orders, while acting on its own. This is where I believe that the problem really begins, because there seems to be an equal but separate relationship going on with all these firms, which are now under one umbrella. Sort of like a UNITED NATIONS (wink), but all the countries are now being blamed for one countries mistake, even though they did not realize the other country in the United Nations was using this marketing firm. Now they are all under one umbrella, which a chain is only as good as it weakest link Steve, which causes a problem here.
        .
        If you want the answer to your question, all you have to do is look and see who sent the cease and desist letters.
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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING THE LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        Just credited you with the stimulus of this post and linked to you in “Mass Joinder & Mass Litigation Affiliate and Marketing Information” so we can put all the material in one place.

        I did make one interesting observation, the Form 1012 mailer I showed at the top of this article was sent long after after Kramer sent the C&D letters. That leads me to believe it was not one of those firms.

        Anyway, please feel free to direct anyone you may know that runs into any mass joinder marketing to post a comment over there on “Mass Joinder & Mass Litigation Affiliate and Marketing Information“.

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Even though claims were made the mailer did not come from Brookstone, a reader who recently received one, and sent it in, says they called the number and was then connected to a Brookstone representative.

      See the update on the article for the new scanned mailer. I emailed Vito six hours ago for an explanation why the new mailer would lead to Brookstone and I have not heard back yet.

      • Piggybankblog

        Well, I certainly cannot answer for Vito, but I remember one of the people there saying that they felt you were not being fair, even though they were providing you with information. I do not know the specifics on that, as well as I do not know if this is the reason he is not answering you.
        .
        However, I am interested. Was it something the flyer said? I am not against mail outs, as long as it is the truth. What seemed to be the issue?
        .
        Say, I am going through you terms right now Steve, and I noticed that you said that you would remove statements when it was abuse. You have not concluded that the person who left those false insinuations was abuse, after they could not quote what law it was that I was breaking? Regardless of your terms, your site and you are responsible for what you allow to be posted on it at all times. So can you please be clear with me here why you are not removing that persons statements that were clearly abuse?
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        You were the one that said the first 1012 mailer I published was an unethical mailer, not me. Check your own previous comment to see why you called these type of mailers

        I do have a wide latitude on free speech as evidenced by all the false and untrue postings you have made about me on this site and yours. I never removed your unfair and untrue comments.

        I’m not sure what you are referring to as abuse though. What on this article is abusive?

        What am I not being fair about?

      • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

        John- Look up…. Didnt YOU say this?….

        “Though you are correct that there are these sort of unethical mass marketing tactics out there, I think it is fair to mention that NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN FROM BROOKSTONE, but are from companies that have already clearly been identified as having nothing to do with even the attorney on record:”

        And…

        “Steve, these MAIL OUTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BROOKSTONE LAW GROUP. ”

        Did you mis speak? Or were you lying? Just admit you’re wrong John.

        Or, go back to misdirection & post old news of complaints against Steve…. Why in the world would you attack THIS site if you’re all about helping people John?

      • Piggybankblog

        Steve,
        .
        Have you had an attorney sign off on your terms? I can already tell you that some of the thing I am reading it are nothing other than a smoke screen, but are totally not enforceable. There is also some language that is in that implies you have to show it to the person before they are allowed access.
        .
        Where did you get these terms from?
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright

      • Piggybankblog

        Sorry about the chopped up reply by the way. I am on day two with no sleep, because I am working again ;)
        .
        John

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Be specific.

      • Piggybankblog

        What is interesting here is that you are talking about Vito ignoring you, but I am getting the impression you are ignoring my questions?
        .
        I have not ignored any of yours?

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        What question?

      • Piggybankblog

        Steve, I just read the terms page. WTF is up with the video with the kid? This child was totally traumatized and upset! I only watch one of the youtubes, but I stunned! Please tell me that you did not have something to do with this? This was a child dude!? Is there something I am missing in this?
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        Are you kidding me! This is abuse Steve! I have my mouth wide open right now!
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        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obPdXTq0XEI&feature=player_embedded
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        You always make me explain myself, but now I think you have some explaining to do! Are you kidding me!!!?
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        There’s is something wrong with this site. I cannot believe this! Why would proudly display a victim of a child who has apparently been abused?
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Misdirection. What does that have to do with the mailer? The video is about an internet issue that has been seen by millions and posted with the consent of her parents, who are actually in it. The second video addresses the issue.So what was your question about the terms?And the description under the video describes why it is there. You forgot to put it into context.”When you respond in the wrong way with attacks and flames it only makes you look worse and convinces people you have something to hide or deflect. You can see how this YouTube video makes the girl and her father appear, not all that great. (By the way, if you want to see the whole story of this event with the before and after video and are willing to hear some curse words, click here.)Then you wind up with responses like the one below and flame wars ensues, the issue creates a life of it’s own, more people find it and loads of people jump in.”

      • Piggybankblog

        “I encourage anyone that may disagree with something I’ve written to post their point of view or opinion in the comments to that post. An exchange of ideas is always beneficial and while I may see something as red, someone else might see it as green. Let’s talk about it.”
        .

        Well, here I am and I am ready to talk? Steve, why are displaying that youtube of that clearly traumatized child on your page?

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Already answered.

      • Piggybankblog

        I do have to admit that I do not see your answers Steve, until now. So I am sorry I started getting upset. For some reason it does not send me an email when you respond.
        .
        At any rate, let me read over some of your answers, but I do want you to know that I traced an ip from this room in my chat room leaving things under my name again. Who do you think that was Steve? Think it was that guy that was working earlier? Well, it looks like this page wants a war. Keep doing it and see what happens (wink) Better call the dogs off because I am tiger baby and don’t mean maybe! .
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        Thank you for answering. I will read them now. I apologize for not seeing them earlier.
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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        What would an IP address you traced have to do with me? Traced an IP from what room? What’s a room?

      • Piggybankblog

        It is your friend that you have allowed to post things that insinuate I am criminal, which did me damage Steve. I gave them the opportunity to prove it or give it basis, and you could see that they had no basis. Therefore, you must conclude that this person was abusing me in a damaging way. Regardless of your terms of conditions, you have to take it off or you will liable. I am not threatening you, but I am asking you to be reasonable. Otherwise I am never going to leave this room without policing it.
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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        Okay Steve “thread”
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        Please do not piss me off. I assure you will not like me if I get pissed off, which I having a hard time not doing, while I see you allowing a comment that did damage to me. I am not here to play around Steve. You know exactly what I am talking about.
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        Now, you have friends and I think you met some of my friends. So if we are going to go backwards here, just let me know because I am a protest site, which means I built for protesting.

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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        One more thing about the video. It was and is news. Check the Smoking Gun that posted it just three days ago. Or how about ABC News that just published information about it?Oh yes, then there is this link on ABC News and Channel 13 in central Florida as well.

      • Piggybankblog

        Steve it is a child. I do not really care about ABC news man. Come on Steve…..take it down. You are better than this right? It is really disturbing. Please? Please take it down? This child should not be haunted for the rest of her life…..regardless if her parents did not do the right thing. Please consider taking it down. This child is traumatized and you are actually taking the side of the people who are against her in your statements. Please take it down.
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        John Wright

      • Piggybankblog

        Threatening Me Doesn’t Work
        You said: Some people try to intimidate me by threatening lawsuits or sternly worded letters from attorneys in an effort to scare me into removing posts. Those efforts have the opposite effect on me and typically lead me to spend more time further investigating what I originally wrote about. It’s actually coincidental, I find myself refocusing on the subject when I have to go back and review the original post in dispute.
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        Answer: Did you hear that judge? It is not going to work if you threaten him (wink). Oh it will work Steven. Trust me, when the judge tells you to take it down, it better scare you if you do not (lol) It will work when the judge tells you to do it.
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        You said: If you still want to take a run at me legally, send me a nasty gram or a cease and desist letter, then you should contact the lawyer for myself, my company and this site, Chris Livingston. Mr. Livingston is a tough consumer advocacy attorney that aggressively represents me. Chris Livingston Esq., 2154 Dowd Dairy Road, White Oak NC 28399, 910 866 4948. And if you’d like to find out what his favorite ammo or weapons are, you can visit his site. Mr. Livingston is exactly what every liberal consumer advocate writer needs; a tough, gun toting, in your face, take no prisoners, lawyer.
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        Answer: Actually, I just looked up your attorney. Tough? (lol) Please! Are you trying to scare people away from making you liable? I happen to think I am kind of tough myself (lol) You can only imagine the attorney that I have in mind for this venture! (lol) It appears your attorney has a past (lol) I cannot believe your attorney would ever allow you to talk about Sean Rutledge, after what I just read about him (lol). Did you hire my cousin Viney? (lol) It looks like he actually “aggressively” got himself in some trouble with the law (lol). He could barely defend himself, so how is it that you think he is going to defend you? If this guy is the reason that you are not afraid…….be afraid Steven! LOL
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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGTHING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        What does that have to do with the mailer?

        Why do I need to take the mailer down?

      • Piggybankblog

        Steve I am not getting the emails telling me of your response. Is there something I am not clicking in here?

      • Piggybankblog

        I am not talking about the mailer. I am talking about the false allegation that guy made who was clearly harassing me with trying to slander my name. It has been brought to your attention, and now you must do something about Steve.

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        I am not aware of any slander on this thread. I think you may be talking about this other post where you and some commenter were going at each other. I already answered that over there.

        FYI. I’m turning the computer off for the night so don’t be surprised when you don’t hear back from me.

      • Piggybankblog

        I am talking about the one that said that they hoped I was put in prison. You said told him to answer the question. He did not.

      • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

        2 Things-

        I said I hope they find out what you are getting for promoting their lawsuit & then put you in jail. Since I dont know WHAT you are getting, I can not say HOW they would do that.

        #2- You say you are going to sue Steve here http://getoutofdebt.org/24788/brookstone-law-and-damian-kutzner-an-interesting-combination#comment-173645589
        For “potential donation injury” & then go on that because of what i wrote someone had JUST RECANTED their donation! Amazing!… Since earlier you claimed only 4 donations ever, totalling less than $400 in 3 years-

        So- I ask you once again John, Do you feel nothing- No responsibility whatever to the thousands who gave ULG their last dollar, trusted ULG, AT YOUR WORD, and then lost their homes?

      • Piggybankblog

        I think I have already answered this question by posting some of the previous “victims” emails to me today. No I do not feel responsible, and neither am I responsible. This is no matter what you are trying to make the public believe with your lies.
        .
        The person that was going to join was not donating, but I do not have to explain myself to you, such as you are under the impression that everyone must, but I assure you that you will soon have a lot of explaining to do for me :) However, that is not the first time you have been in that position……….is it?
        .
        You have been a busy little bee, who has found it appropriate potentially punishing people, by asking very liable questions that might insinuate something other than the truth, as part of nothing other than potential smear campaign. An agenda based on pieces of information that do not lead to putting the accurate picture together about Brookstone or myself, but nevertheless are pieces of the big picture that shows your malicious agenda to potentially falsely accuse and punish innocent people. It is irresponsible and it is liable. It is based on nothing other than theory, even though you call it evidence. It has been said that theoretically one can use pieces to prove you can hang an elephant from a cliff by its tail, but never the less, it does not hold up once challenged. Ask your employer about that one (wink).
        .
        For the record, those questions were never addressed to me on my site, but here on a site where you knew I would not be able to answer them until I ran into them. This is because I believe you had other motives. Steve calls you an interesting source, but I call you nothing other than a two faced person starting rumors about innocent people, just because you have some kind of odd interest in Brookstone. An interest that you have metaphorically shot innocent people along the way. I am not going to put up with it, because I do not deserve it. I am fighting back!
        .
        You have played an interesting game of undercover here. However, soon you will not be undercover anymore. Neither will you be able to use the Get Out Of Debt Guy page to push your agenda, who you might of served no other purpose than getting him into debt, because you have potentially used it as nothing other than a weapon towards your agenda against myself and Brookstone. A self righteous agenda ,where you take no prisoners based on your conclusions, because you feel you have that right, while hiding behind a good doer persona. You feel it might be appropriate to step on people, reveal people and use people to accommodate your ultimate agenda of destroying your target, which then potentially creates a trail of victims of your own.
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        I used to respect you, but I have no respect for you right now, because you might be creating a trail of your own victims, while I might be one of them. How dare you!
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        Do you have any more questions for me about the alliance you helped me lose? I assure you that it really gets me worked up………..every time you mention it.
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

  • Krista Railey

    Anonymous, some of the savvy around here have read this partial transcript from the Ronald v B of A case: (Courtesy of John Wright who admits he has not slept for days)

    http://www.johnwrightvsbofa.co

  • Krista Railey

    Anonymous, some of the savvy around here have read this partial transcript from the Ronald v B of A case: (Courtesy of John Wright who admits he has not slept for days)

    http://www.johnwrightvsbofa.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/transcript.pdf

  • Steve Rhode

    I agree. Second opinions are always a good idea.

  • anonymous

    This form is for a company named Brookstone Law, based in Newport Beach, CA.
    They are currently involved in a series of cases, including Paul Ronald v. Bank of America and Wright v. Bank of America.
    The savvy among us will actually take the time to read the court transcripts so far of these cases (published online), and decide for themselves if the cases have merit, and whether or not it would be a good idea to see if you are eligible to join the case as a Plaintiff.

    As of 03/02/11 both the Ronald and Wright cases have survived appeal to Federal Court, and a demurrer by the defendant (Bank of America)– meaning, that the judge in the case believes that the filing of the case is not baseless or frivolous, and that if BofA loses, they aren’t going to have much recourse on appeal.

    The case involves Plaintiffs who were put into shady loans by Countrywide (later acquired by Bank of America), who were given false information -of which they relied on- by those banks, and also is about Bank of America’s current willful and malicious activities around intentional abuse of the TARP money it recieved, as well as issues related to MERS.
    But even more, (or mostly) its about the damage that BofA is currently causing to homeowners via ongoing illegal business practices/activities, of which I happened to record them openly admitting to on tape.

    This isn’t a baseless scam.
    Brookstone Law will only take your case after due dilligence, and if it turns out that you qualify- yes, they will request a retainer to help in the legal costs of fighting the case and getting justice for all of the homeowners who have been ripped off.

  • anonymous

    This form is for a company named Brookstone Law, based in Newport Beach, CA.
    They are currently involved in a series of cases, including Paul Ronald v. Bank of America and Wright v. Bank of America.
    The savvy among us will actually take the time to read the court transcripts so far of these cases (published online), and decide for themselves if the cases have merit, and whether or not it would be a good idea to see if you are eligible to join the case as a Plaintiff.

    As of 03/02/11 both the Ronald and Wright cases have survived appeal to Federal Court, and a demurrer by the defendant (Bank of America)– meaning, that the judge in the case believes that the filing of the case is not baseless or frivolous, and that if BofA loses, they aren’t going to have much recourse on appeal.

    The case involves Plaintiffs who were put into shady loans by Countrywide (later acquired by Bank of America), who were given false information -of which they relied on- by those banks, and also is about Bank of America’s current willful and malicious activities around intentional abuse of the TARP money it recieved, as well as issues related to MERS.
    But even more, (or mostly) its about the damage that BofA is currently causing to homeowners via ongoing illegal business practices/activities, of which I happened to record them openly admitting to on tape.

    This isn’t a baseless scam.
    Brookstone Law will only take your case after due dilligence, and if it turns out that you qualify- yes, they will request a retainer to help in the legal costs of fighting the case and getting justice for all of the homeowners who have been ripped off.

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      I agree. Second opinions are always a good idea.

      • Piggybankblog

        Looks like Get Out of Debt Guy might be “Getting into some debt” very soon. Steve, you should know that I am never going to let you or your supporters post on my site, because they are lies and motivated. So you might as well stop. You see, your site is a site for money, which gives some very interesting customers doesn’t Steve? Some with motives against their competition. Others have tried to be clever like this, but after you read the press release that is going to be released on those “others,” I think you will see what happens to people who are hired through donations and ad money. The difference between your site and mine is that I am not a money making site or venture. I just recently put a donation tab up and have made a whopping 300 dollars because it is so new and not promoted that much. I have spent 20,000 of my own money, but not on just web stuff, but on resources.
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        Did I mention that I am FIGHTING THE LARGEST BANK IN THE WORLD? You do not think that I cannot fight your lies now do you? I think you have clearly been messing with the wrong guy (wink).
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        You see, I am not the Oprah show Steve, but I am protest site, which means I am built for protesting, while having resources behind all your wildest dreams. I have seen some of the things you have said on here, while actually having the answers. However, I think I will wait for you and your lousy “aggressive” attorney find those answers in the most interesting way. At least you are smart enough not to remove any of the comments. I figured out last time that you knew I was waiting for that, but your attorney must have been worth something at one time. I hope I can bring that lousy attorney of yours to me, because I have plans for them (wink).
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        Contrary to your terms statements that you are not afraid of threats, this is not a threat. It is a promise :)
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        Tell these people why you really would not remove that persons statements? I have an idea why (smirk). You should maybe do a section on your own potentially fraudulent activity. Could you please answer in this forum the charges made in the following:
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        http://www.scamchecker.com/content/steve-rhode-getoutofdebtorg-myvestaorg-beware-steve-rhode-and-getoutofdebtorgthis-company-fr

        http://www.debtmanagementguys.com/blog/144/rebuttal-to-steve-rhode-the-get-out-of-debt-guy-dork/
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        http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/steven-rhodes-c398983.html
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        http://www.corp.ca.gov/ENF/pdf/2002/myvesta.pdf
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        By the way, if you are having trouble opening the pdf, it is because it is the most interesting out of all the links. One day it will open though :)
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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

        You’re an angry little man, aren’t ya?

        Yawn…. I’ll re engage when you answer the questions… Enjoy stumping for Brookstone.

        Later.

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        See my response below to the links you posted. You already know they are untrue, and have known for some time, and yet you continue to post them. Why? You know they are factually untrue and yet continue to spread them. Hum, and what is the definition of libel?

        A month ago I answered your false accusations on those links and yet you continue to post them, repeatedly.

        See my previous response.

        “If you had taken the time to read the links you posted or researched them a bit you would have seen my response to the untrue allegations on the scamchecker post. Just scroll down on that page. [Note: ScamChecker later pulled that page because it was untrue.]

        You can also see all my answers to these untrue claims here.

        Thank you for the Complaints link. I did not know about that. I have since responded to that one as well, here.

        You can see my answer for the California thing here.”

        You claim you are abused on the site by one commenter but in fact you appear to be the biggest abuser of all. What’s with the reporting of information that has already been proven to you by me as not factual?

        I’ll tell you why I have not removed the comment in question yet, because John Wright can’t answer a simple question I asked about it. Instead you launch off into threats, tirades, lawsuits, protests, and every other crazy sidetrack other than just answering the simple question.

        John, in my addressing the comment that you claim was abusive I asked you the following information, which none of your subsequent posts answered.

        “In reviewing the comment I think you are upset about it was ” I REALLY want to know what he is getting from Torch for doing all that BS marketing. I hope he gets found out (FBI are you listening?) and goes to prison.” Is that the remark you are claiming is abuse? How is that remark abusive?”

        - and -

        “What about the false accusations you made against that same commenter and against me? How do I deal with those?”

        What is your answer to those questions so we can deal with the original issue at hand.

      • Piggybankblog

        My answer is simple, which is I stopped the protest and potential legal action against you and your site, simply because I thought you fixed the issue. However, now I see this Steve?
        .
        For the record, I have made no such false accusations, but simply posted links where others have made allegations about you, while saying “potentially” fraudulent. You might want to talk to your attorney about what that legally implies Steve, before posting this statement prominently at the top of your page, because it will only serve to substantiate my potential legal case against you. This is because your allegation that I have posted false accusations, simply is not my opinion, but is also ANOTHER “POTENTIAL” slanderous attempt. I assure you this is not the time for you to play attorney with this tactic, unless you intend to suffer the consequences of legally being accountable.
        .
        With that being said, there is public information available on your past Mr. Rhodes, which anyone can look up for themselves. Facts that will clearly speak for itself, as I assure you. I have chosen all this time to not post it for your viewers, even though I have access to things that not most people do. However, I will warn you that taking this statement and prominently posting it at the top of your blog, will only serve as further evidence in any potential litigation I might choose to bring against you and your blog. This is because there is clearly a difference between me reacting to your potentially slanderous attempts vs. your “alleged” current agenda to defame my name. This is because you using this statement about me from this other slanderous person, as a means to extort a response out of me, is making you even further liable Mr. Rhodes. This is because you have now used turned this persons statements into a weapon of your own, which has all sorts of legal implications.
        .
        Now, I would usually be re-activating my protest and continuing with my potential litigation. However, I said I owed you one for taking that 11 year old child’s “potential” persecution video off your terms. This is why I am going to warn you this time, but if I come back and see this still here, I will proceed forward with my protest and legal action and not even look back.
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        Good day Mr. Rhodes.
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        My name John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        Still did not remove it huh Steve?
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        I have come here to warn all of you who have we have tracked, to let you know that you are next. You can run, but you cannot hide!
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        Read John’s Daily Blog on 03/31/11: http://www.piggybankblog.com/2010/01/05/johns-daily-blo/
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        First off, what? To be honest John, you’ve been posting so many comments I stopped reading them.

        Interesting turn of events with SML, Apex, Stein and Steins attack against Brookstone. I spent a bunch of time reading the motion to boot stein off co-counsel. Posted it at Mass Joinder Case Infighting Worse Than High School. Co-Counsel Mitchell Stein Gets the Boot.

      • Piggybankblog

        What do you think of that, in regards to your previous theories about Brookstone? Also, are you going to remove the statement where you put in bold letters the implication that said this person hoped that I went to prision and FBI stuff?
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        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

    • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

      “if it turns out that you qualify- yes, they will request a retainer to help in the legal costs of fighting the case and getting justice for all of the homeowners who have been ripped off.”

      Why all the marketing then? Why have sales companies & “furnish leads”?

      So is the retainer to “help in the legal costs” or the marketing & profit? How much of the retainer is paid to the sales company?

      • Piggybankblog

        No it turns out that there is going to be a press release that will show that it is all lega. There are going to be a few other press releases.
        .
        How come Steve does not talk about his past on here more? We have found more, but we figure the public as the right to know, while they consider the source.
        .
        http://www.scamchecker.com/content/steve-rhode-getoutofdebtorg-myvestaorg-beware-steve-rhode-and-getoutofdebtorgthis-company-fr
        .

        http://www.debtmanagementguys.com/blog/144/rebuttal-to-steve-rhode-the-get-out-of-debt-guy-dork/

        .

        http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/steven-rhodes-c398983.html

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        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        If you are about getting the facts straight then taking a few minutes to do your research would be helpful. I believe the scamchecker page is gone now. They pulled it because it was untrue. The debt management guys thing was based on those untrue statements so that’s in the same boat. I believe the complaintsboard thing I’ve addressed in the comments there.

        And for your information I do that about those pages here in the site and I’ve pointed that out to you before. You knew I’ve stated categorically they are they are not true yet you continue to post them. Should I feel abused as you claim to be?

        You are a very odd duck.

      • Piggybankblog

        You can feel whatever you want Steven. Yet, if you are feeling abused, maybe you might feel like some of your potential victims you have in your past. I am protest movement Steven, which means I protest. I also only react when attacked. Your site drew first blood, and I gave you and your friends and different screen names ever opportunity to stop. But you did not…………..SO HERE I AM!
        .
        I would rather be an odd duck with a clear past record Steven, than what I have read about you. The potential fraudster pointing the finger at what they think is fraud. Now that is odd :)
        .
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        So your logic is you have a beef with a commenter named ComplianceSlave, not me, and your response is to attack me? That is crazy and makes no sense.

        You complain of screen names but you post under a screen name yourself, piggybankblog. Again, your outrage makes no sense.

      • Piggybankblog

        No I think you have come to see that my beef is definitely with you Steven, because I feel you are allowing, if not encouraging people with your articles this kind of abuse of my name and cause, as well as the firm representing me. I reported it as abuse to you, as well as proved to you that it was done with malicious intent, but you chose to protect the abuser. Trust me, there is a lot of clear case history on what your responsibility is concerning the content and posting on your page.
        .
        Steven, if someone was on my page and posted things in a screen name that said Steverhodesfraud, and it was not you, I would remove it, warn the person and band the person if they did not stop. This is because it ruins the integrity of the debate, as well as it might display the agenda of the person in charge of that debate. In some case, there have been actually people taking out screen names with the name piggybankblog, and I am sure you would not appreciate it if I allowed that done on my page with your pages name. Nevertheless, I might have information that shows that this person is part of a ongoing potential conspiracy, while having a relationship to you and this page.
        .
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        I think I sing it with my name (lol) Your claim makes no sense. Stop trying to be right. Your wrong Steve.

      • Piggybankblog

        Odd duck?
        .
        Well, I think you better start pulling some your too Steve. You must know that I have snap shots of all these things right?
        .
        You are poking a tiger in a care Steve.
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright

      • Piggybankblog

        I mean sign with my name :) Another all nighter here.

      • Piggybankblog

        By the way, here is one those victims that you say are from ULG that signed up because of my blog, which I told you I did not promote had to say today in an email to me:
        .
        John,
        .
        I am so upset about the allegations presented. You are a good man, working for a good cause. You have help me a great deal in my dealing with the bank.
        The United Law Group also was a help prior to their problems.
        .
        I stand behind you 100%.
        .
        Dorothy Robinson.
        .
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

        ” which I told you I did not promote”

        Funny- On this page, http://www.piggybankblog.com/2010/09/03/bofa-taped-evidenc/ Dorothy asks “Where are those links that used to point to ULG?”

        Of course, now there are links to Brookstone.

        Lies

      • Piggybankblog

        Funny because Steve said that you changed the one of your statments about me because it is not true. And I am the one telling lies? (lol)
        .
        I can post links if I want. It does not mean it is promoting. I have links to BofA too, so does that mean I am promoting them?
        .
        This is so stupid. They should take your computer away from you (lol) Oh yah, and your cause (wink).

      • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

        I was gonna drop it… but, where, exactly did Steve say THAT?

        Annnd, you’re just posting links ’cause you wanna? It says “JOIN MY LAWSUIT”- not Brookstone Law.

        “Promote”: To contribute to the progress or growth of;

        Let me say this, because it is the last time I will address you:
        John- I believe you that you are not being paid by Brookstone to promote their lawsuit- but you certainly are promoting it.
        I don’t believe you see the potential harm that supporting them may do to those that BUY their service- Just as I don’t think you see the harm it did when so many lost with their previous company ULG.
        I have not been on your blog- or emailed you- ever.
        Honestly, I wish you well in your lawsuit against BoA.
        John, I wish you could understand that it appears that you are promoting BSL & it appeared that you were promoting ULG- By promoting your lawsuit, you, in turn, are promoting these companies. When you look at the facts surrounding what happened, the BBB complaints (100′s for a law firm????!!!), the attorney being disbarred, the FTC suits & all the clients who lost with them, added up- it looked as if you HAD to benefiting somehow if you were still promoting them. What else would one think?… But, I believe youre not. I believe you are sincerely, extremely passionate about your case. And I hope you succeed. And, I hope anyone who shells out $8,000 to join this lawsuit gets to keep their homes & doesn’t lose their money this time! AND, for the people you’ve helped, I believe you should be recognized- But you need to be careful with ANY promotion of these guys- If it all goes south again, how will you feel then?

        So, I hope we can bury the hatchet here, once and for all. I think you need to get some some sleep- like a weeks worth… Best of luck.

      • Piggybankblog

        Listen, there were several links on my site concerning ULG, because of several reasons. For example, there was my response to the FBI raid and what I felt about it, simply because I was a high profile blogger that was with ULG, where people were looking for comment. This is because I get around 150 emails from my site a day, in which I did not want to get 150 more just asking me what I thought about it. There were links to my lawsuit that was featured on their site at that time, because there was a very active comment section, where people could go and leave good comments good or bad, as part of ongoing debate at that time. IT WAS ALSO A LINK TO MYSELF AND THE DETAILS OF MY LAWSUIT ON THEIR SITE. There were links to the ULG site page, which had information posted about the details of my lawsuit, which is not irregular that I would post, but actually very regular that I would post. The reason is because people want to make sure that I am not making it all up, and would like to verify that I really do have a lawsuit, as well as research the law firm representing me. There is also reporters and other attorneys who would like to know the details of my lawsuit, in which would stand to reason that the law firm would have these trademark protected details on their site. So I simply had a page with a cut and paste copy of a press release or statement they had on their page about the lawsuit. It is common practice for people to support an article with a link. There other press outlets also putting a link on their page to ULG, but does that mean they were actively promoting them, as part of some marketing conspiracy? Why should I care if ULG makes money or not? I will admit that when I first filed my lawsuit with ULG, I would leave comments that stated something like: “please help support myself and ULG in this battle by joining my fight,” but I began to back off once the complaints came in. It is not abnormal at all that I would not cancel my lawsuit based on those complaints, because I would lose money and risk not finding representation. Your thoughts that I had an obligation to be Jesus Christ, while I sacrifice my home, money and lawsuit based on your conclusions are simply not reasonable. at any rate, you will not find even one person that will say that I promoted ULG on my blog, while telling them they should or should not go to ULG. In fact, you will not find one person that did not ask me about ULG, where I did not voice a tenor of concern, while I suggested to them they might want to review the complaints on the web first. I would be very clear that I was just a client, and neither confirmed or denied if such complaints were legitimate about ULG or not. The simple fact was that my experience was completely different with ULG than theirs, and I was not there and I am not here to represent your cause or fight with ULG, Brookstone or against the toaster company, simply because you believe I have that obligation. For the record, I do not believe “all” the complaints concerning ULG or about the people who worked for them, simply because my experience with them was not only different, but I happen to have knowledge about some of the events, which were grossly being misrepresented in the comments sections, which some apparently were disgruntled fired ULG employees, who all the sudden decided to appear as advocates. Some of the complaints I had read about ULG were clearly the opposite of my experience, such as ULG never specifically told me that I should not make my mortgage payment, but in fact went on the record with telling me that they could not tell me not to pay my mortgage. This would be substantiated by the fact that I continued to pay my mortgage less than 30 days late, after securing ULG for some time. Why would I do that, if I they told me that I did not have to? I simply did not believe all the complaints, because at the same time people seem to be alleging that they willingly entered into an agreement with ULG to defraud the bank, but were now upset they did not get their modification. That kind of person would not be creditable in a court of law, as well as they did not seem creditable to me either. Something they might have overlooked when making their complaint. The simple fact is that I do not see you actively tracking down and finding the phone operators, who were paid to promote ULG, but you want to harass me, who was nothing other than high profile blogger and a client, which I find suspicious. This is because I will easily conclude that you either work for BofA or a competing law firm that is jealous, while you try to defame my name and the Brookstone name and hide behind a screen name. Yet you seem to be concerned that I am not protecting myself from claims like yours.
        .
        At any rate, you have to also understand that the dynamics were much different with my ULG lawsuit, because it was an individual lawsuit at ULG. The other dynamics was that most of the victims at ULG involved a loan modification service, whereas I was in a lawsuit that involved me having direct contact with the attorney representing me. I was not promoting that people go to ULG for a loan modification, and why would? Especially after I knew that Countrywide and Bank of America might be ignoring attorney’s requests, much like they might be doing now with millions of people.
        .
        With all due respect, your comments tend to identify yourself as a person who only sees issues in black and white, while having no gray area, simply because you have a preconceived thoughts that everything plays into your conspiracy theory and cause. It is these kind of dynamics that explain probably a million different conspiracy theories to who shot Kennedy, while they all use the same evidence, in which one conspiracy theory completely contradicts the other, but while they use the same evidence to prove their points. This black and white process that you use, is not only a little self righteous, simply because it leaves no room in your mind for other conclusions, but would be made readily apparent by your Webster dictionary definition of the word “promote, ” while you still try to “promote” your unsubstantiated claims about me. This all done while you seem to be suggesting at the same time that you hope I succeed. Excuse me, but I zero tolerance for bullshit, simply because you clearly already stated for the record what your hopes were for me in a previous statement. Have you changed your mind now? If so, why? This is because In the beginning, you did not ask questions, but simply made statements that suggested that I was not only responsible for the victims at ULG, but admitted that even though you had no evidence, that you “hoped” the FBI came and put me in prison. This is called a personal vendetta, which I think this whole threat is and topic and thread at Steve’s page is. Therefore, your agenda was clearly stated for the record, because that is what you were hoping for. Do you really think that you can just come out here and say whatever you want, while you put my life in danger and slander my reputation with lies and then make a statement like “I was going to just drop it,” and “I hope you succeed”, as if you dictate when this accountability session is over? Too little too late!
        Let me be clear here, I do not respect you, I do not like you and I do not want anything to do with or your cause. This is because you are a complete liability to homeowners, as well as any cause you represent, including Steve , his page and the integrity of this debate. End of story.
        In closing, you should just simply apologize, instead of trying to save face and send me your webster dictionary definition of the word promote. This is because there is a few legal definitions of what you are doing that I can think of right off the bat, but let me give you a social definition of what I think of you:
        .
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey
        .
        Any more questions?
        .

        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        With that being said, I am ready to bury the hatchet (lol). I thought about it a little bit more, so I am calm now. Sometimes good people make bad mistakes :)
        .

        Thank you for your kind words and your best wishes :)
        .
        My name is just John Wright right now!

        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        Up above you said that you never been to my blog. Can you please tells us what you meant when you posted this previously?
        .
        Funny- On this page, http://www.piggybankblog.com/2… Dorothy asks “Where are those links that used to point to ULG?”

        Of course, now there are links to Brookstone.

        Lies ”
        .
        hmmmmmmm…..Don’t you think that kind of makes you look like the liar?
        .
        My name is Johh Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://www.ftc.gov ComplianceSlave

        My bad- You SAID i posted on your blog. Ive certainly been to see your website John.

        John Get some sleep- for real man.

        Im OK with you. Good Luck for real- Again, I hope it works out.

      • Piggybankblog

        You know what is funnier than this? This stament by you yesterday:
        .
        ” have not been on your blog- ”
        .
        Are you sure that I am the liar? (lol)
        .
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        Ask the firm! I do not work for them, as your delusion is forcing you think.

  • Steve Rhode

    I’ll be happy to try. What is the issue you are trying to address? Is it that you are behind, looking for modification, feel your note is defective? What?

  • Taviotb48

    Would somebody please come forward and tell us in plain black and white English what alternatives do we consumers have, other than dealing directly with the Banks Home Retention Departments ???

  • Taviotb48

    Would somebody please come forward and tell us in plain black and white English what alternatives do we consumers have, other than dealing directly with the Banks Home Retention Departments ???

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      I’ll be happy to try. What is the issue you are trying to address? Is it that you are behind, looking for modification, feel your note is defective? What?

  • Steve Rhode

    I would anticipate they would try to call you back to sell you on the program. And yes, if you call a toll-free number they can capture your phone number even if you have it blocked.

    Well, however you reach out to them, if you are willing to give us an update on your experience, please do.

  • kiD

    i have read plenty of reviews and i am not willing to call but try and discuss over internet because the caller reviews are at around 90% bad instead of good.
    many callers have mentioned these are phone numbers to trick people who are already in debt and somehow keep there number on file and call back with several unwanted calls.

  • Steve Rhode

    Close. The mailer appears to direct homeowners that receive it to participate in some recently filed lawsuits against mortgage lenders. Other have reported they have been solicited to pay $895 for document review and $5,000 more to participate. See this story.

    How about giving them a call and listening to the pitch associated with your mailer and then reporting back here with an update. I’d be grateful to hear back from you on your impressions after calling.

  • kiD

    i wonder if this is to (defraud homeowners into filing predatory lending lawsuits)

  • http://twitter.com/Kid_Sik kiD

    i wonder if this is to (defraud homeowners into filing predatory lending lawsuits)

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Close. The mailer appears to direct homeowners that receive it to participate in some recently filed lawsuits against mortgage lenders. Other have reported they have been solicited to pay $895 for document review and $5,000 more to participate. See this story.How about giving them a call and listening to the pitch associated with your mailer and then reporting back here with an update. I’d be grateful to hear back from you on your impressions after calling.

  • Steve Rhode

    Before I respond. What do you think the form is offering?

    I’m curious what the casual impression is of it and if it leads people to have an incorrect impression.

  • kiD

    On the form that i have received which is exactly as the one above and says Form 1-12-R litigation notification i am confused if i should even send it back it only says the sender is Litigation Department Official Business? Doesn’t sound so trustworthy whatsoever.

    –any responses pls comment back.thnks.

  • http://twitter.com/Kid_Sik kiD

    On the form that i have received which is exactly as the one above and says Form 1-12-R litigation notification i am confused if i should even send it back it only says the sender is Litigation Department Official Business? Doesn’t sound so trustworthy whatsoever.

    –any responses pls comment back.thnks.

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Before I respond. What do you think the form is offering?

      I’m curious what the casual impression is of it and if it leads people to have an incorrect impression.

      • http://twitter.com/Kid_Sik kiD

        i have read plenty of reviews and i am not willing to call but try and discuss over internet because the caller reviews are at around 90% bad instead of good.
        many callers have mentioned these are phone numbers to trick people who are already in debt and somehow keep there number on file and call back with several unwanted calls.

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        I would anticipate they would try to call you back to sell you on the program. And yes, if you call a toll-free number they can capture your phone number even if you have it blocked.

        Well, however you reach out to them, if you are willing to give us an update on your experience, please do.

  • Steve Rhode

    Krista,

    The best way to get files to me is through the confidential tip form.

    Steve

  • Krista Railey

    Steve, I agree that it odd. My initial thought was that Brookstone Law was posturing itself to be the new HUB firm. In addition to the document on Hartford Dunn’s website, Brookstone Law wrote or published the PR Release “Philip A. Kramer, Esq. Uncovers Non-Attorneys Acting as Attorneys Nationwide Claiming to be Affiliated with Law Offices of Kramer & Kaslow”:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/

    The Press Release was immediately posted on John Wright’s Piggy Bank Blog Website:

    http://www.piggybankblog.com/2

    John Wright also posted Kramer & Kaslow’s warning on this discussion thread on Loansafe.org:

    http://www.loansafe.org/forum/

    If you will shoot me an email, I’ll shoot you back some documents including an employment ad I found on the net from Brookstone Law. I printed it as a pdf:

    Needed: Excellent Consumer Client Intake for
    Law Firm (Newport Beach)
    We are currently part of the largest litigation joinder in U.S. Class Action History!
    Develop your skills in an exciting, fast paced office environment. We want self motivated, hard
    working representatives that are able to accurately analyze each client’s needs efficiently, keep the
    client’s best interest in mind, and assist each client through the attorney-client process, while
    maintaining a professional attitude. We are looking for individuals with strong people skills and
    telephone etiquette. Those applying must be dedicated to the client’s well-being and desire to help
    client reach financial success.
    *We have an aggressive lead campaign with multiple lead sources.
    *Strong phone skills and ability to accurately pre-screen clients needs.
    *Continuous training and learning in an exciting field and growing business.
    *Provide multiple services for clients.
    *Compensation: base salary plus commission.
    *B2B inside sales for multiple services.
    *Once you have established you are one of our elite closers with management ability, you may be
    chosen to lead a team.
    * Both retail and wholesale opportunity.
    http://www.brookstone-law.com/
    http://www.brookstone-law.com/
    http://www.brookstone-law.com/

    Be sure to clink on those pdf links and save the copies of the images of the Brookstone law office.
    Pay attention to B2B and retail/wholesale opportunity.

    As to Kramer & Kaslow, I do have documentation on their affiliate training, commission schedule, payment instructions, etc that I printed when I started researching the issue. Because websites get changed with their stories, I recommend that you preserve a record of every website you visit and the documents you procure from each. I also keep records on forum discussion threads.

    Thanks,

    Krista Railey

  • Krista Railey

    Steve, I agree that it odd. My initial thought was that Brookstone Law was posturing itself to be the new HUB firm. In addition to the document on Hartford Dunn’s website, Brookstone Law wrote or published the PR Release “Philip A. Kramer, Esq. Uncovers Non-Attorneys Acting as Attorneys Nationwide Claiming to be Affiliated with Law Offices of Kramer & Kaslow”:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20110210/bs_prweb/prweb8128061_13

    The Press Release was immediately posted on John Wright’s Piggy Bank Blog Website:

    http://www.piggybankblog.com/2009/09/09/warning-kramer-stein-law-is-not-authorized-by-us/

    John Wright also posted Kramer & Kaslow’s warning on this discussion thread on Loansafe.org:

    http://www.loansafe.org/forum/stop-foreclosure-tell-us-your-story/36967-k2-law-firm-mass-joinder-lawsuit-vs-bofa-3.html

    If you will shoot me an email, I’ll shoot you back some documents including an employment ad I found on the net from Brookstone Law. I printed it as a pdf:

    Needed: Excellent Consumer Client Intake for
    Law Firm (Newport Beach)
    We are currently part of the largest litigation joinder in U.S. Class Action History!
    Develop your skills in an exciting, fast paced office environment. We want self motivated, hard
    working representatives that are able to accurately analyze each client’s needs efficiently, keep the
    client’s best interest in mind, and assist each client through the attorney-client process, while
    maintaining a professional attitude. We are looking for individuals with strong people skills and
    telephone etiquette. Those applying must be dedicated to the client’s well-being and desire to help
    client reach financial success.
    *We have an aggressive lead campaign with multiple lead sources.
    *Strong phone skills and ability to accurately pre-screen clients needs.
    *Continuous training and learning in an exciting field and growing business.
    *Provide multiple services for clients.
    *Compensation: base salary plus commission.
    *B2B inside sales for multiple services.
    *Once you have established you are one of our elite closers with management ability, you may be
    chosen to lead a team.
    * Both retail and wholesale opportunity.
    http://www.brookstone-law.com/images/craigslist_pics/image001.jpg
    http://www.brookstone-law.com/images/craigslist_pics/image002.jpg
    http://www.brookstone-law.com/images/craigslist_pics/image003.jpg

    Be sure to clink on those pdf links and save the copies of the images of the Brookstone law office.
    Pay attention to B2B and retail/wholesale opportunity.

    As to Kramer & Kaslow, I do have documentation on their affiliate training, commission schedule, payment instructions, etc that I printed when I started researching the issue. Because websites get changed with their stories, I recommend that you preserve a record of every website you visit and the documents you procure from each. I also keep records on forum discussion threads.

    Thanks,

    Krista Railey

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Krista,

      The best way to get files to me is through the confidential tip form.

      Steve

  • Steve Rhode

    Krista,

    Good catch. I’d missed the footer on the Hartford Dunn PDF. Just an observation but that document says it comes from Brookstone Law yet the only mention of Brookstone Law is in the footer and not as one of the recommended firms. I just find that observation unusual. Why would one law firm emanate communication which refers a bunch of others?

    Any thoughts?

  • Krista Railey

    Steve, great work. Don’t forget to click on the pdf document on the Hartford Dunn website. It is a document titled “Mortgage Litigation Affiliate Practice”. Here is a link to the document:

    http://hartforddunn.com/pdfs/H

    Note the disclaimer on the bottom:

    “This communication emanates from the Law Firm of Brookstone Law. All rights reserved. Copyright 2011. Brookstone Law has licensed these materials from Mr. Riley and has a “Of Counsel” working relationship, accordingly only Brookstone Law and Mr. Riley is authorized to disseminate the foregoing information.”

    The document also says:

    “Getting Started in the Hartford Dunn, LLP Affiliate Network:

    Request a Hartford Dunn, LLP Agreement

    Fill out, sign and send back the agreement

    We will open up an online CRM account

    Start submitting your business today

    We will handle everything else. It is that easy!”

    The original Kramer-kaslow.com site that posted the consumer warning show Hartford Dunn as an approved National Intake firm (along with Mass Litigation Alliance). The main page of that website also showed Brookstone Law, Matt Davis, and Mass Litigation Alliance as approved Of Counsel firms.

    My name is Krista Railey, and I know that if you put lipstick on a pig, at the end of the day all you have is a pig wearing lipstick.

    Thank you,

    Krista Railey

  • Krista Railey

    Steve, great work. Don’t forget to click on the pdf document on the Hartford Dunn website. It is a document titled “Mortgage Litigation Affiliate Practice”. Here is a link to the document:

    http://hartforddunn.com/pdfs/Hartford_Dunn.pdf

    Note the disclaimer on the bottom:

    “This communication emanates from the Law Firm of Brookstone Law. All rights reserved. Copyright 2011. Brookstone Law has licensed these materials from Mr. Riley and has a “Of Counsel” working relationship, accordingly only Brookstone Law and Mr. Riley is authorized to disseminate the foregoing information.”

    The document also says:

    “Getting Started in the Hartford Dunn, LLP Affiliate Network:

    Request a Hartford Dunn, LLP Agreement

    Fill out, sign and send back the agreement

    We will open up an online CRM account

    Start submitting your business today

    We will handle everything else. It is that easy!”

    The original Kramer-kaslow.com site that posted the consumer warning show Hartford Dunn as an approved National Intake firm (along with Mass Litigation Alliance). The main page of that website also showed Brookstone Law, Matt Davis, and Mass Litigation Alliance as approved Of Counsel firms.

    My name is Krista Railey, and I know that if you put lipstick on a pig, at the end of the day all you have is a pig wearing lipstick.

    Thank you,

    Krista Railey

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      Krista,Good catch. I’d missed the footer on the Hartford Dunn PDF. Just an observation but that document says it comes from Brookstone Law yet the only mention of Brookstone Law is in the footer and not as one of the recommended firms. I just find that observation unusual. Why would one law firm emanate communication which refers a bunch of others?Any thoughts?

    • Piggybankblog

      Hey Krista :)
      .
      I just wanted to say I am sorry that I keep saying “bailey” (lol) I know another Krista with that last name…………it is going to be hard to shake :)
      .
      Your friend,
      John Wright
      piggybankblog.com

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