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Mitchell Stein’s Attorney Threatens Me to NOT Release the Documents

Over the past few days I had received some documents from individuals that claimed to work with/for Mitchell Stein in his efforts to pursue mass joinder lawsuits.

Particularly damaging in the documentation was information that could be perceived as an inducement by others that are blogging and promoting Stein in his efforts.

In an effort to verify the documentation I emailed the people identified as the originators of the emails. In fact what I asked was:

I got your faxes on Stein. Some really explosive stuff.

I was hoping you could help put the material into context for me. It clearly does appear that [redacted] is getting a financial benefit from Stein and that [redacted] may be participating but do you have any email that shows some sort of compensation for X?

If this can be proven, the two guys that have been the most vocal advocates for Stein will have some explaining to do.

I need your help to get me over the finish line on this.

In response I instead received this email.

Mr. Rhode:

I am an attorney with Mitchell J. Stein & Associates. It has come to my attention that earlier today you sent an email to [redacted] and [redacted] in response a set of documents that they purportedly faxed to you regarding Mr. Stein and his practice of law.

We wish to inform you that the documents you received by fax were NOT sent to you by [redacted] and [redacted] but, instead, were sent by an unknown computer hacker who had managed to illegally obtain access to one of Mr. Stein’s private email accounts.

We take this matter very seriously. Not only was Mr. Stein’s right to privacy violated by this criminal act, but the documents sent to you were obtained through violation of multiple federal statutes, not to mention California Penal Code § 502 regarding hacking and computer crimes.

Further, they appeared to be forged and/or altered.

YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT IF YOU PUBLISH OR DSSEMINATE THE MATERIALS YOU RECEIVED BY FAX REGARDING MR. STEIN IN ANY MANNER, WE WILL COMMENCE A CIVIL ACTION AGAINST YOU FOR MONETARY DAMAGES AS WELL AS PUNITIVE DAMAGES FOR YOUR KNOWING AND MALICIOUS FURTHER DISSEMINATION OF STOLEN FILES AND PRIVATE INFORMATION.

We have reported this matter to the FBI. We do not want you to be part of any resulting investigation. You would be smart to destroy all materials you received and never speak of them to anyone.

If you have any questions, please feel free to call me. My direct line at the law firm is [redacted].

Thank you.

Erikson M. Davis
Attorney at Law
Mitchell J. Stein & Associates

What it appears I did not get was a denial that the information and allegations shown in the documents were not true. Anyone read that differently?

It appears that the information contained in the emails faxed to me struck a nerve. I think the allegation is that Stein’s email account was hacked and then the documents were forged? That seems like a heck of an effort to simply forge a document but that seems to be the position.

Hopefully Stein’s attorney will keep us posted on this matter and the results of their investigation so I can update you.

As a journalist I’m free to disseminate the material if I believe it to be factual but the bigger story just became the threat. Is there a coverup going on or an attempt to discredit Stein with his own or forged emails?

The mass joinder world is a strange and odd place these days. Apparently not only do consumers need to beware but the lawyers as well.

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    Mitchell J. Stein was ordered inactive to not eligible to practice law in California on January 1, 2012.

  • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

    Mitchell J. Stein was ordered inactive to not eligible to practice law in California on January 1, 2012.

  • Piggybankblog

    Legal Beast:
    Well, I am just saying that it is not right for you come out pointing fingers, calling names and making allegations, unless you are willing to put your name behind it.  The simple fact is that I know just as many small law firms and attorneys who have small practices, and take people’s money, but are nothing other than glorified modification companies at the end of the day.  I think that is much worse.  The fact is that I probably personally do not care if they make millions of dollars, just as long as everyone is represented.  I do not care about fee sharing.  I do not care.  You care, but I do not, because I do not see that hurting anyone, if that is what they are doing.  As far as I know, I have heard the laws on that are interpreted many different ways, in which you are the same guy who has told Steve that he has nothing to worry about displaying evidence that he stolen property on his site.  Nevertheless, if you think they are fee splitting, and If you think it is wrong………….then do not do it.  Yet, if you are going to be a superhero, while you come out here and save everyone with your superior knowledge, I would suggest leaving your name, instead a card without a name.  Everyone is an attorney at the end of the day J
    This other stuff you talk about is disgruntled competitor crap, in which I am just a client and do not care.  Why do you care if I think they are ethical or not?  I am here to talk about Bank of Defrauding America, why are you not talking about that instead?  Therefore, I could probably care less if Burger King has ethical people making my hamburgers……………and why would I?   You keep talking to me as if I am responsible for it, and I am not only not responsible, but it has the big stamp of “I do not care” on it.  I am not the complaint department here, but if you say something about me, I am going fire back at you.  You threw the first stone, and I simply threw it back at you. 
    By the way, I have heard “they are moving slow and investigating them, but one day they will get them” for a long time now.  “The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!”  Bullshit!  Who shit?  You shit!  It is bullshit.
    Like I said, if you have a complaint………………..call the police, because I am just a client.  In short, I probably do not care.  The simple fact is that there should be no comments from the peanut gallery, unless you are willing to put your name behind it.  This is because anyone can come out here and just say they are an attorney.  Look!  I am an attorney too! Lol
    I wish you well in all your endeavors.
     
    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    Piggybankblog.com

  • LegalBeast

    I wouldnt show my name when it comes to the real dregs of the legal profession here. The firms that want to go for the “get rich quick” at any cost are welcome to, but I wouldnt connect my name to it for $20,000,000. 

    Good luck to you and all of your lawsuits Mr. Wright. If you somehow still believe that you are involved with ethical people, God bless you.

    As for me, I will go back to my very little practice- Where I actually practice law, without fee splitting, marketing companies, sales affiliates, warring attorneys and firms and hacked databases & emails and threats of theft and fraud-  and ACTUALLY earn my living. But that’s just me.

    Good day & good luck.

    Call me a coward- I’m happy to hide (from this garbage)

  • Piggybankblog

    Oh great!  I am glad you liked it!  Yah, when I find some more time I will make you one for your site J
    .
    I talked to Stein the other day about my Honda stuff.  I asked him about the Kramer thing.  Apparently, they worked together on something previously, but something about the judge makes him with him since the motion.  I do not think they are friendly by his response though.
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Oh great!  I am glad you liked it!  Yah, when I find some more time I will make you one for your site J
    .
    I talked to Stein the other day about my Honda stuff.  I asked him about the Kramer thing.  Apparently, they worked together on something previously, but something about the judge makes him with him since the motion.  I do not think they are friendly by his response though.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    Nice job on the video. Great production skills.

  • Piggybankblog

    Oh okay.  I thought you were mad at me or something.
    .
    Well, I have heard that Kramer and Stein worked together on the Ronald case.  I know that they are not very fond of one another anymore, or at least that is what I hear.  Krista is right that it is hard to following this bouncing ball, because that is exactly what it is.  I know that back in the day Mr. Stein felt that Philip was a victim of being taken advantage of by some marketers named Gary, or something like that.  However, now I have heard several different versions, such as someone told me Mr. Stein stabbed Philip in the back, but another person told me that Philip Kramer stuck Mr. Stein in the back.  Hard to know what is going on with that relationship, but only Stein and Kramer know.  I know that I have never been too crazy about Kramer, since the beginning.  Nobody is ever going to convince me that Kramer did not know his name was being used.  I mean, why doesn’t that happen to you and me ? (lol)  Personally, I think Kramer did know it was going on, as well as I felt he was involved.  I had taken so much heat for going after Mass Litigation Alliance……..that I just let go of the story.  Everyone thought I was working for Brookstone because I was going after them, but I did not even realize they were a “competitor.” 
    .
    Yah, I do not know much about the relationship between Stein and Kramer.  I just know that it seems like Mr. Stein does not want to be anywhere near him.  It is not what he told me, but just the feeling I get. 
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    Maybe I will dare to ask him about it the next time him and I talk about Honda.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Kramer and Stein working together as associated attorneys? At least that’s what Consolidated Litigation Group says. See this story.

  • Steve Rhode

    You should take it that I’ve been really busy.

  • Piggybankblog

    I take it you did not like it (lol)  Well, do not ever say that I was not trying to be nice to you (wink)
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    My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
    .
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Did you like the yutube?

  • Piggybankblog

    Hey Steve:
    .
    Check out my one of my funny youtubes!  This one cracks me up!  ha…ha!
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
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    One of these days I will make you a really cool one with your pictures in it that you can put on your site.  A good one I mean….lol
    .
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    I could not agree more with you :)
    .
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Errick

    Wow, I hope when you folks are done bickering about chat rooms and threaty threats, perhaps you can carve out an hour or two to help people with their loans.

  • Errick

    Wow, I hope when you folks are done bickering about chat rooms and threaty threats, perhaps you can carve out an hour or two to help people with their loans.

    • Piggybankblog

      I could not agree more with you :)
      .
      John Wright
      piggybankblog.com 

    • Mel Content

      I’m helping people help  Maraia Sauqaqu with voice lessons. I think she’ll sing like Mariah Carey with a little incentive. I’m also helping David J. Bernardo learn to spell his name correctly. He needs to learn that he can’t spell it Bernardo for legal work and “Berando” for other work. He may get some voice lessons as well.

  • Piggybankblog

    Oh okay.  That makes sense now.  I was wondering what that was about.
    .
    I also wanted you to know that my comments are directed towards the “legal beast” or “legal Coward” and not you Steve.   I just go after anyone who I perceive is up to no good, or try’s to attack my character, but as part of a law firm warfare tactic.  That person stepped over the line, by talking about my Honda issue, which they know nothing about. They may think they are better than me because they make their car payments, but the truth is that I do not make my car payments with distressed homeowner’s money.  In which that says a lot, after we both know that I can make huge amounts of money doing what I do on line, but I choose not to.  I would rather be late on my car payments (wink).  It certainly does not suggest that this bottom feeding attorney is a better character than me, simply because he makes his car payments with distressed homeowners money, but as part of a mass marketing machine (wink). 
    .
    These other law firms are jealous that Brookstone and Mr. Stein have me on their side.  I mean, make no mistake here……because I am on their side.  However, not for the reasons people think.  I like good people Steve, which is why I protect them.  Just like I will be on your side Steve, if anyone attacks you on another blog unfairly.  It does not mean that you paid me, but means I like you.  I always protect the person who is being a bullied, or is a victim.  It is just my nature.  I used to be the same way in school.  In fact, I was known for it.  I did not even have to know you, but if I would see you getting your ass kicked by the bully, I would jump in and kick the bully’s ass.    
    . 
    It is just who I am J
    .
    John Wright
    Piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    Comments only go five levels deep. What you can do is either start a new comment and mention the person using the @ feature or go up one level to that persons last comment.

  • Piggybankblog

    Yah I meant to type in their name.  Sorry about that Steve.
    .
    Yah, I also sorry that I cannot seem to respond other the comments either.  It makes it confusing.  It just does not have a “reply” button next to it.

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    FYI, you seemed to direct your Honda answer at me but I didn’t ask the question.

  • Piggybankblog

    Mr. Rhodes:
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    Question:  Has legal beast been on here before now?  This is because if I feel that someone just attacked my Honda issue and character, by revealing their true feelings in law firm warfare…..I will fight back.  This is because I do not have a business or an income that depends on loan issues, where I collect money from homeowners to pay my car payments (wink). 
    .
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.  However, I just want to be clear here that I will not allow an attorney to question my integrity. 
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    Careful.  Be very careful. 
    .
    John Wright
    Piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    Mr. Rhodes:
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    Question:  Has legal beast been on here before now?  This is because if I feel that someone just attacked my Honda issue and character, by revealing their true feelings in law firm warfare…..I will fight back.  This is because I do not have a business or an income that depends on loan issues, where I collect money from homeowners to pay my car payments (wink). 
    .
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.  However, I just want to be clear here that I will not allow an attorney to question my integrity. 
    .
    Careful.  Be very careful. 
    .
    John Wright
    Piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    I want to be clear on somethign here, becuse it sounded wrong (lol)  I said: “  in which you used to do with that 12 year old girl that youtube on your site.”  I was talking about the girl who was all upset because the adults were fighting her back.  Certainly, Mr. Rhodes did not victimize her in that way.  I meant that he potentially victimized her by posting it.
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    Steve, you have my permission to delete that part out of my comment.  I want to be fair here :)
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    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    It is not letting me post under your comment. 
    .
    You wrote:”What I don’t get is why either Wright believes, or Wright is under the impression from Stein that Stein is going to sue me over this. I gladly acknowledge that anybody can sue anyone for anything at anytime, but that’s not the smart play here.”

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    Answer: That is what he told me he is going to do.  What is to understand?
    . 
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    It is not letting me post under your comment. 
    .
    You wrote:”What I don’t get is why either Wright believes, or Wright is under the impression from Stein that Stein is going to sue me over this. I gladly acknowledge that anybody can sue anyone for anything at anytime, but that’s not the smart play here.”

    .
    Answer: That is what he told me he is going to do.  What is to understand?

    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com 

  • Piggybankblog

    Also, I just want to say that I think it is interesting that an actual attorney showed up here to give their perspective.  I am guessing that I have finally weeded out the real agenda here, which is a competing attorney, who wants to hide behind screen names, but is afraid that I am in the way of their agenda. 
    .
    The only thing I could think of when you said “attempt to have a journalists story removed” is that line Steve Martin said with a dumb tone in planes Trains and Automobiles, such as “Really?  Do you think so?”  So stupid….because do you think the readers did not know that?  Of course it is my agenda!  (lol)  I just admitted it for you, so you do not hurt yourself thinking again.  If you were my attorney, I would ask for a refund after that statement (lol)
    .
    Far reaching counselor?  I will say it again………he was in possession of stolen property.  What?  Are you an environmental attorney or something? (lol) Words like “far reaching” and “no merit” will not outweigh that fact.
    .
    Show your name!  So we all know who to use to fight a traffic ticket!  Otherwise, do not leave comments.  Be responsible for what you say, instead of just claiming you are an attorney.  This is because I see nothing in your statement that suggests you are.  That is why I said that you were a lousy attorney, if you were.  Let me add to that though, which is that I think you are a bottom feeding one too (lol) 
    .
    You think you can say words like “have merit” and that we just are going to believe that.  All that I said, and you could only say that the courts are liberal……lol  So did you hear that Steve? He thinks you will get off because the courts are liberal (lol)  That is his argument (lol)  Please!
    .
    If this guy is giving you legal counsel Steve…………..you should get another attorney, before it is too late.
    .
    Anyway, interesting that an “attorney” showed up.  Imagine that (wink). 
    .
    John Wright
    Piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    For the record, I was able to purchase bonds to get my cars out to stay in business.  Mr. Stein was a major role in educating me on how to do this.  Also for the record, he was the only one that stepped up to the plate to help me, in which makes him a good man.  I mean, I have heard that he has done this for many others in the Ronald Vs. Bank of America lawsuit too, because there are so many that he has represented for absolutely free.  Nevertheless, your article is only interested in talking about things that you feel make him look bad.  You put him on trial, while you appear to be extorted him for an interview with your hit and run statements.  It hurts me to see this done to someone who does not deserve that, even if you think he does.  There are reporters who do this in the press, but they are much more skilled than you at it. Yours are so obvious Steve, while you think that you can simply say that you do not have an agenda, as if your readers are going to believe it.  The readers are not stupid Steve.  Nobody will ever read it, while thinking that you are not having an agenda.  Your whole style itself does not suggest anything different. This is why your articles seem so unfair, which is because you rarely have a balance in them.  It is irresponsible journalism that does not end up making Stein look bad, but you look bad. It makes you look like a bully.  Even I have said nice things about BANK OF RAPING AMERICA on my site. 
    .
    Therefore, your article would not have bothered me, if you spoke about how it was also reported to you that Mr. Stein has helped out many people for free.  Why do you not ask him about that instead, or at least first?  You instead just come out with your guns blazing, while you expect him to get an interview, after you have been charged by so many to always slant the story.  Why do you not ask him about the good things?  This is because you are not interested in that.  Your articles are usually based on a little bit of the truth, just for you to then make an insinuation, which is meant to extort an interview form the victim.  With that being said, I have always been perplexed how you tend to have the habit of victimizing the victim, in which you used to do with that 12 year old girl that youtube on your site.  By the way…..thank you for removing that.  At any rate, this is the fundamental difference between your site and mine, in that I tend to be on the victims side.  This is why I do not blame Mr. Stein, because why would he want to set himself up for an unfair interview. 

  • Piggybankblog

     For the record, I was able to purchase bonds to get my cars out to stay in business.  Mr. Stein was a major role in educating me on how to do this.  Also for the record, he was the only one that stepped up to the plate to help me, in which makes him a good man.  I mean, I have heard that he has done this for many others in the Ronald Vs. Bank of America lawsuit too, because there are so many that he has represented for absolutely free.  Nevertheless, your article is only interested in talking about things that you feel make him look bad.  You put him on trial, while you appear to be extorted him for an interview with your hit and run statements.  It hurts me to see this done to someone who does not deserve that, even if you think he does.  There are reporters who do this in the press, but they are much more skilled than you at it. Yours are so obvious Steve, while you think that you can simply say that you do not have an agenda, as if your readers are going to believe it.  The readers are not stupid Steve.  Nobody will ever read it, while thinking that you are not having an agenda.  Your whole style itself does not suggest anything different. This is why your articles seem so unfair, which is because you rarely have a balance in them.  It is irresponsible journalism that does not end up making Stein look bad, but you look bad. It makes you look like a bully.  Even I have said nice things about BANK OF RAPING AMERICA on my site. 
    .
    Therefore, your article would not have bothered me, if you spoke about how it was also reported to you that Mr. Stein has helped out many people for free.  Why do you not ask him about that instead, or at least first?  You instead just come out with your guns blazing, while you expect him to get an interview, after you have been charged by so many to always slant the story.  Why do you not ask him about the good things?  This is because you are not interested in that.  Your articles are usually based on a little bit of the truth, just for you to then make an insinuation, which is meant to extort an interview form the victim.  With that being said, I have always been perplexed how you tend to have the habit of victimizing the victim, in which you used to do with that 12 year old girl that youtube on your site.  By the way…..thank you for removing that.  At any rate, this is the fundamental difference between your site and mine, in that I tend to be on the victims side.  This is why I do not blame Mr. Stein, because why would he want to set himself up for an unfair interview. 
     

    • Piggybankblog

       Also, I just want to say that I think it is interesting that an actual attorney showed up here to give their perspective.  I am guessing that I have finally weeded out the real agenda here, which is a competing attorney, who wants to hide behind screen names, but is afraid that I am in the way of their agenda. 
      .
      The only thing I could think of when you said “attempt to have a journalists story removed” is that line Steve Martin said with a dumb tone in planes Trains and Automobiles, such as “Really?  Do you think so?”  So stupid….because do you think the readers did not know that?  Of course it is my agenda!  (lol)  I just admitted it for you, so you do not hurt yourself thinking again.  If you were my attorney, I would ask for a refund after that statement (lol)
      .
      Far reaching counselor?  I will say it again………he was in possession of stolen property.  What?  Are you an environmental attorney or something? (lol) Words like “far reaching” and “no merit” will not outweigh that fact.
      .
      Show your name!  So we all know who to use to fight a traffic ticket!  Otherwise, do not leave comments.  Be responsible for what you say, instead of just claiming you are an attorney.  This is because I see nothing in your statement that suggests you are.  That is why I said that you were a lousy attorney, if you were.  Let me add to that though, which is that I think you are a bottom feeding one too (lol) 
      .
      You think you can say words like “have merit” and that we just are going to believe that.  All that I said, and you could only say that the courts are liberal……lol  So did you hear that Steve? He thinks you will get off because the courts are liberal (lol)  That is his argument (lol)  Please!
      .
      If this guy is giving you legal counsel Steve…………..you should get another attorney, before it is too late.
      .
      Anyway, interesting that an “attorney” showed up.  Imagine that (wink). 
      .
      John Wright
      Piggybankblog.com

      • LegalBeast

        I wouldnt show my name when it comes to the real dregs of the legal profession here. The firms that want to go for the “get rich quick” at any cost are welcome to, but I wouldnt connect my name to it for $20,000,000. 

        Good luck to you and all of your lawsuits Mr. Wright. If you somehow still believe that you are involved with ethical people, God bless you.

        As for me, I will go back to my very little practice- Where I actually practice law, without fee splitting, marketing companies, sales affiliates, warring attorneys and firms and hacked databases & emails and threats of theft and fraud-  and ACTUALLY earn my living. But that’s just me.

        Good day & good luck.

        Call me a coward- I’m happy to hide (from this garbage)

      • Piggybankblog

        Legal Beast:
        Well, I am just saying that it is not right for you come out pointing fingers, calling names and making allegations, unless you are willing to put your name behind it.  The simple fact is that I know just as many small law firms and attorneys who have small practices, and take people’s money, but are nothing other than glorified modification companies at the end of the day.  I think that is much worse.  The fact is that I probably personally do not care if they make millions of dollars, just as long as everyone is represented.  I do not care about fee sharing.  I do not care.  You care, but I do not, because I do not see that hurting anyone, if that is what they are doing.  As far as I know, I have heard the laws on that are interpreted many different ways, in which you are the same guy who has told Steve that he has nothing to worry about displaying evidence that he stolen property on his site.  Nevertheless, if you think they are fee splitting, and If you think it is wrong………….then do not do it.  Yet, if you are going to be a superhero, while you come out here and save everyone with your superior knowledge, I would suggest leaving your name, instead a card without a name.  Everyone is an attorney at the end of the day J
        This other stuff you talk about is disgruntled competitor crap, in which I am just a client and do not care.  Why do you care if I think they are ethical or not?  I am here to talk about Bank of Defrauding America, why are you not talking about that instead?  Therefore, I could probably care less if Burger King has ethical people making my hamburgers……………and why would I?   You keep talking to me as if I am responsible for it, and I am not only not responsible, but it has the big stamp of “I do not care” on it.  I am not the complaint department here, but if you say something about me, I am going fire back at you.  You threw the first stone, and I simply threw it back at you. 
        By the way, I have heard “they are moving slow and investigating them, but one day they will get them” for a long time now.  “The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!”  Bullshit!  Who shit?  You shit!  It is bullshit.
        Like I said, if you have a complaint………………..call the police, because I am just a client.  In short, I probably do not care.  The simple fact is that there should be no comments from the peanut gallery, unless you are willing to put your name behind it.  This is because anyone can come out here and just say they are an attorney.  Look!  I am an attorney too! Lol
        I wish you well in all your endeavors.
         
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        Piggybankblog.com

    • Piggybankblog

      I want to be clear on somethign here, becuse it sounded wrong (lol)  I said: ”  in which you used to do with that 12 year old girl that youtube on your site.”  I was talking about the girl who was all upset because the adults were fighting her back.  Certainly, Mr. Rhodes did not victimize her in that way.  I meant that he potentially victimized her by posting it.
      .
      Steve, you have my permission to delete that part out of my comment.  I want to be fair here :)
      .
      John Wright
      piggybankblog.com

  • Piggybankblog

    I had to post the answer to your question somewhere else Steve, because it will not let me post under the commen:

    Steve:
    . 
    Well, that is not my argument with Honda.  I was willing to pay the past due from day one, even though I had 25 years of experience to know that it was highly irregular and hostile.  I understood the fact that I defaulted.  I also understood the fact that they can legally take them, even if they were 1 day late. The question is if it was fair?  No!  The question is if it was irregular? Yes!  HIGHLY IRREGULAR!    
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    Nevertheless, my legal argument has nothing to do with arguing if they had the right to take them, but is surrounded by if they had the right to not give them back, even though I was willing to pay the past due amount.   The answer is:  No!  They did not have that right, which is why I am suing them.  There were immediate damages for my company, if you consider that I was an airline with no planes.
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    I would only question everything, but after they would not give them back.  It was when they were in violation that I would question: 
    1.       Was it irregular that they would take the cars only, after just being a little over 30 days late?  Yes!   After you consider there was 25 years of payment history, in which the average person they do not do this to until after six months. 
    2.       Was it irregular that they would not allow me to have them back, even though I was willing to pay the past due?  Yes.  It was highly irregular.
    3.       Was there damages caused by them now being in violations?  Yes! Catastrophic!
    .
    This would all suggest that I was targeted. 
    .
    You see, there is a law or policy that says that they can require that I pay the full amount owed on the cars, if I threaten them with bodily harm, such as “I will kill you!” Clearly, they stepped over the line, but certainly after AHFC harassed me with irregular policies for one day, such as:
    1.       Requiring me to have a fax machine to get them back
    2.       Requiring that I have an attorney to talk to them, instead of allowing me to deal with it.
     
    .
    At any rate, it is my belief that the manager did this to me because I made a complaint months previous about him.  He called and threatened to take the cars, but only after being one day late one time, and in an abusive tone.  It was not what he said, but how he said it.  “Where are the cars!  We will come get them now unless you pay!”  I had never seen someone like this towards a company that had been loyal to them for 25 years, so I entered a complaint. 
    .
    Their argument is that I threatened them with bodily harm, after saying “I wish you a miserable life, ” but only after they were saying things to provoke me for over a day.  At any rate, that is not threatening bodily harm.  I would venture to think that this is why they did not make a police report, in which the police officer would tell them “This is not threatening bodily harm.” 
    .
    They were simply just harassing me Steve, but causing damage to my 25 year old company, while they did it.  You know me, I make friends wherever I go (wink), but it was not right.  They do this because they are usually unaccountable, but it is not right that they are making a decisions to turn me, my employees and the community into victims, after American small companies suffered from one of the worst economic crisis this nation has ever seen….is not a good policy.  I am sorry I hurt their feelings, but it is still not a good policy.  It is not good for America.  This is why I am protesting, because it is not a good policy to have towards a company that had been loyal to them for 25 years, while buying cars in bulk every 4-5 years.  It is just another example of corporation taking, but not giving back in the end. 
    .
    Let us keep in mind that small businesses did not get a bailout.  Small companies have been paying for the irresponsibleness of these banks and corporations bad decisions, but not ours.  This is because people were not spending money as much, after you conclude they were losing their homes.  This is hardly my fault, but I just tried to keep people working, while I made sacrifice to do so. 
    .
    The bigger argument is that it was very hostile towards a small company that had been loyal to them, while buying cars in bulk every four years, but for twenty five years.  The fact remains that small companies did not get any bailout, after going through one of the worst economic crisis our nation has seen.  Small companies survive on loans Steve, in which the banks created an environment where they are not loaning money.  We do the best we can under these circumstances. 
    .
    It is common practice for a company to pay a little late, if it comes down to paying its employees first.  In fact, Honda used to pay me late all the time when they paid me to advertise.  The simple fact is that it is not good for America, if a corporation is so hostile and not empathetic to our nation’s crisis.  This is because their decision will turn the community into victims, if I have to fire employees, and not be able to give the community what they had already paid me for.   The simple fact is that our country is in trouble, if we allow corporations to shut companies down, who have been in business for twenty five years, but only after being a little over 30 days late.  Really?  I survived 25 years, while going through the worst economic disaster that our nation has ever seen, but this is how I am going to go out?  It is equivalent to surviving being a solider in the Iraq war, but to only survive long enough to be killed by a street thug.  At any rate, small business makes up 80% of the economy, in which if we allow this kind of behavior…………..we can kiss our economy goodbye because of corporations like Amarican Honda Finance Corporations policies.  It is simply becoming too easy for these corporations to put us out of business, simply because they can claim it on the insurance, such as the banks are doing with peoples homes too.  It is called the “thinking for self and not America” policy, and I am fighting back.
    .
    At any rate, it is my belief that the manager did this to me because I made a complaint months previous about him.  He called and threatened to take the cars, but only after being one day late one time, and in an abusive tone.  It was not what he said, but how he said it.  “Where are the cars!  We will come get them now unless you pay!”  I had never seen someone like this towards a company that had been loyal to them for 25 years, so I entered a complaint. 
    .
    In the end, I am sorry that I hurt their feelings, but it does not mean that my employees deserve to lose their jobs, customers lose their money and I lose my company because of it.  Otherwise, it is potentially irregular, unsafe, hostile and abusive business methods. 
    .
    Therefore, now that I have answered your question, I look forward to your support with this issue.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    I had to post the answer to your question somewhere else Steve, because it will not let me post under the commen:

    Steve:

    Well, that is not my argument with Honda.  I was willing to pay the past due from day one, even though I had 25 years of experience to know that it was highly irregular and hostile.  I understood the fact that I defaulted.  I also understood the fact that they can legally take them, even if they were 1 day late. The question is if it was fair?  No!  The question is if it was irregular? Yes!  HIGHLY IRREGULAR!    
    .
    Nevertheless, my legal argument has nothing to do with arguing if they had the right to take them, but is surrounded by if they had the right to not give them back, even though I was willing to pay the past due amount.   The answer is:  No!  They did not have that right, which is why I am suing them.  There were immediate damages for my company, if you consider that I was an airline with no planes.
    .
    I would only question everything, but after they would not give them back.  It was when they were in violation that I would question: 
    1.       Was it irregular that they would take the cars only, after just being a little over 30 days late?  Yes!   After you consider there was 25 years of payment history, in which the average person they do not do this to until after six months. 
    2.       Was it irregular that they would not allow me to have them back, even though I was willing to pay the past due?  Yes.  It was highly irregular.
    3.       Was there damages caused by them now being in violations?  Yes! Catastrophic!
    .
    This would all suggest that I was targeted. 
    .
    You see, there is a law or policy that says that they can require that I pay the full amount owed on the cars, if I threaten them with bodily harm, such as “I will kill you!” Clearly, they stepped over the line, but certainly after AHFC harassed me with irregular policies for one day, such as:
    1.       Requiring me to have a fax machine to get them back
    2.       Requiring that I have an attorney to talk to them, instead of allowing me to deal with it.
     
    .
    At any rate, it is my belief that the manager did this to me because I made a complaint months previous about him.  He called and threatened to take the cars, but only after being one day late one time, and in an abusive tone.  It was not what he said, but how he said it.  “Where are the cars!  We will come get them now unless you pay!”  I had never seen someone like this towards a company that had been loyal to them for 25 years, so I entered a complaint. 
    .
    Their argument is that I threatened them with bodily harm, after saying “I wish you a miserable life, ” but only after they were saying things to provoke me for over a day.  At any rate, that is not threatening bodily harm.  I would venture to think that this is why they did not make a police report, in which the police officer would tell them “This is not threatening bodily harm.” 
    .
    They were simply just harassing me Steve, but causing damage to my 25 year old company, while they did it.  You know me, I make friends wherever I go (wink), but it was not right.  They do this because they are usually unaccountable, but it is not right that they are making a decisions to turn me, my employees and the community into victims, after American small companies suffered from one of the worst economic crisis this nation has ever seen….is not a good policy.  I am sorry I hurt their feelings, but it is still not a good policy.  It is not good for America.  This is why I am protesting, because it is not a good policy to have towards a company that had been loyal to them for 25 years, while buying cars in bulk every 4-5 years.  It is just another example of corporation taking, but not giving back in the end. 
    .
    Let us keep in mind that small businesses did not get a bailout.  Small companies have been paying for the irresponsibleness of these banks and corporations bad decisions, but not ours.  This is because people were not spending money as much, after you conclude they were losing their homes.  This is hardly my fault, but I just tried to keep people working, while I made sacrifice to do so. 
    .
    The bigger argument is that it was very hostile towards a small company that had been loyal to them, while buying cars in bulk every four years, but for twenty five years.  The fact remains that small companies did not get any bailout, after going through one of the worst economic crisis our nation has seen.  Small companies survive on loans Steve, in which the banks created an environment where they are not loaning money.  We do the best we can under these circumstances. 
    .
    It is common practice for a company to pay a little late, if it comes down to paying its employees first.  In fact, Honda used to pay me late all the time when they paid me to advertise.  The simple fact is that it is not good for America, if a corporation is so hostile and not empathetic to our nation’s crisis.  This is because their decision will turn the community into victims, if I have to fire employees, and not be able to give the community what they had already paid me for.   The simple fact is that our country is in trouble, if we allow corporations to shut companies down, who have been in business for twenty five years, but only after being a little over 30 days late.  Really?  I survived 25 years, while going through the worst economic disaster that our nation has ever seen, but this is how I am going to go out?  It is equivalent to surviving being a solider in the Iraq war, but to only survive long enough to be killed by a street thug.  At any rate, small business makes up 80% of the economy, in which if we allow this kind of behavior…………..we can kiss our economy goodbye because of corporations like Amarican Honda Finance Corporations policies.  It is simply becoming too easy for these corporations to put us out of business, simply because they can claim it on the insurance, such as the banks are doing with peoples homes too.  It is called the “thinking for self and not America” policy, and I am fighting back.
    .
    At any rate, it is my belief that the manager did this to me because I made a complaint months previous about him.  He called and threatened to take the cars, but only after being one day late one time, and in an abusive tone.  It was not what he said, but how he said it.  “Where are the cars!  We will come get them now unless you pay!”  I had never seen someone like this towards a company that had been loyal to them for 25 years, so I entered a complaint. 
    .
    In the end, I am sorry that I hurt their feelings, but it does not mean that my employees deserve to lose their jobs, customers lose their money and I lose my company because of it.  Otherwise, it is potentially irregular, unsafe, hostile and abusive business methods. 
    .
    Therefore, now that I have answered your question, I look forward to your support with this issue.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      John,

      FYI, you seemed to direct your Honda answer at me but I didn’t ask the question.

      • Piggybankblog

        Yah I meant to type in their name.  Sorry about that Steve.
        .
        Yah, I also sorry that I cannot seem to respond other the comments either.  It makes it confusing.  It just does not have a “reply” button next to it.
         

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Comments only go five levels deep. What you can do is either start a new comment and mention the person using the @ feature or go up one level to that persons last comment.

      • Piggybankblog

         Oh okay.  That makes sense now.  I was wondering what that was about.
        .
        I also wanted you to know that my comments are directed towards the “legal beast” or “legal Coward” and not you Steve.   I just go after anyone who I perceive is up to no good, or try’s to attack my character, but as part of a law firm warfare tactic.  That person stepped over the line, by talking about my Honda issue, which they know nothing about. They may think they are better than me because they make their car payments, but the truth is that I do not make my car payments with distressed homeowner’s money.  In which that says a lot, after we both know that I can make huge amounts of money doing what I do on line, but I choose not to.  I would rather be late on my car payments (wink).  It certainly does not suggest that this bottom feeding attorney is a better character than me, simply because he makes his car payments with distressed homeowners money, but as part of a mass marketing machine (wink). 
        .
        These other law firms are jealous that Brookstone and Mr. Stein have me on their side.  I mean, make no mistake here……because I am on their side.  However, not for the reasons people think.  I like good people Steve, which is why I protect them.  Just like I will be on your side Steve, if anyone attacks you on another blog unfairly.  It does not mean that you paid me, but means I like you.  I always protect the person who is being a bullied, or is a victim.  It is just my nature.  I used to be the same way in school.  In fact, I was known for it.  I did not even have to know you, but if I would see you getting your ass kicked by the bully, I would jump in and kick the bully’s ass.    

        It is just who I am J
        .
        John Wright
        Piggybankblog.com

      • Piggybankblog

        Hey Steve:
        .
        Check out my one of my funny youtubes!  This one cracks me up!  ha…ha!
        .
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UquCl_VoKA&feature=player_embedded#at=49
        .
        One of these days I will make you a really cool one with your pictures in it that you can put on your site.  A good one I mean….lol
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Nice job on the video. Great production skills.

      • Piggybankblog

        Did you like the yutube?

      • Piggybankblog

        I take it you did not like it (lol)  Well, do not ever say that I was not trying to be nice to you (wink)
        .
        My name is John Wright AND I AM FIGHTING BACK!
        .
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        You should take it that I’ve been really busy.

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        Kramer and Stein working together as associated attorneys? At least that’s what Consolidated Litigation Group says. See this story.

      • Piggybankblog

        Oh okay.  I thought you were mad at me or something.
        .
        Well, I have heard that Kramer and Stein worked together on the Ronald case.  I know that they are not very fond of one another anymore, or at least that is what I hear.  Krista is right that it is hard to following this bouncing ball, because that is exactly what it is.  I know that back in the day Mr. Stein felt that Philip was a victim of being taken advantage of by some marketers named Gary, or something like that.  However, now I have heard several different versions, such as someone told me Mr. Stein stabbed Philip in the back, but another person told me that Philip Kramer stuck Mr. Stein in the back.  Hard to know what is going on with that relationship, but only Stein and Kramer know.  I know that I have never been too crazy about Kramer, since the beginning.  Nobody is ever going to convince me that Kramer did not know his name was being used.  I mean, why doesn’t that happen to you and me ? (lol)  Personally, I think Kramer did know it was going on, as well as I felt he was involved.  I had taken so much heat for going after Mass Litigation Alliance……..that I just let go of the story.  Everyone thought I was working for Brookstone because I was going after them, but I did not even realize they were a “competitor.” 
        .
        Yah, I do not know much about the relationship between Stein and Kramer.  I just know that it seems like Mr. Stein does not want to be anywhere near him.  It is not what he told me, but just the feeling I get. 
        .
        Maybe I will dare to ask him about it the next time him and I talk about Honda.
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    I tried to post this in the section under the comment, but it would not let me.  So i have to do it here.
    .
    Dear legalbeast:
    .
     
    So that you are not confused, it is absolutely my agenda to get it removed.  So what?  Unlike other journalists, I do not hide my agenda, by sugar coating a turd.   However, if I wanted to push the red bottom to have it removed, I know how to do that, which I am sure that Steve knows that I know how to do that also.  So let’s just try to keep in mind that you are an attorney, but far from being a brain surgeon.    .
    .
    Yes it would hurt my case, if he had my client privilege information, but had not made the statement that he had no plans to post it.  His statement that he would not be posting it came well after my objection.  You do not know what you are talking about.  
    .
    Where did I say my source was Stein?  Where did I say that I was not going after the person who lied to me?  At any rate, I said the opposite, which was that my source was not Mr. Stein.  If you must know, my source was Martin.  However, it is revealing to who it is that you are after here.  You have revealed my agenda, which now this reveals yours.  You would like me to go after Stein, which is your agenda. 
    .
    I did not continue to “go after Mr. Rhodes.”  In fact, I think Steve knows the difference, but I can do it, if you would like know the difference (wink).  Tell him Steve!  Tell him that I am not going after you here….yet.  Otherwise, I am going to be insulted (lol)  I think that we both agree that I have been very calm, while remaining friendly with Steve.  However, I would not mistake my niceness for weakness at any point. 
    .
    The simple fact is that I had inside information that Steve is going to be sued, which I was able to help him divert with Brookstone.  I just like to try and use diplomacy to avoid war, but I assure you have no problem going to war, if I am provoked.  Maybe I feel like doing it because Stein helped me.  So what?  Who cares!?  You know what I would tell you, if I was one of those people in the article above?  I would tell you “who cares about that too!”  This is because it would not be illegal………..so who cares!  In fact, my only complaint with Stein is that I am not getting paid, if there is evidence that he pays people to do what I do. This is because if you have evidence that says that Stein is being paid…………I WANT TO BE PAID TOO!  Who cares!  So what!    
    .
    Now, I have revealed who my name is here, so why don’t you tell us what your name is?  You will not though will you?  This is because you do not want to be responsible for what you say. 
    .
    You are a coward!
    .
    John Wright 

  • Piggybankblog

    I tried to post this in the section under the comment, but it would not let me.  So i have to do it here.
    .
    Dear legalbeast:
    .
     
    So that you are not confused, it is absolutely my agenda to get it removed.  So what?  Unlike other journalists, I do not hide my agenda, by sugar coating a turd.   However, if I wanted to push the red bottom to have it removed, I know how to do that, which I am sure that Steve knows that I know how to do that also.  So let’s just try to keep in mind that you are an attorney, but far from being a brain surgeon.    .
    .
    Yes it would hurt my case, if he had my client privilege information, but had not made the statement that he had no plans to post it.  His statement that he would not be posting it came well after my objection.  You do not know what you are talking about.  
    .
    Where did I say my source was Stein?  Where did I say that I was not going after the person who lied to me?  At any rate, I said the opposite, which was that my source was not Mr. Stein.  If you must know, my source was Martin.  However, it is revealing to who it is that you are after here.  You have revealed my agenda, which now this reveals yours.  You would like me to go after Stein, which is your agenda. 
    .
    I did not continue to “go after Mr. Rhodes.”  In fact, I think Steve knows the difference, but I can do it, if you would like know the difference (wink).  Tell him Steve!  Tell him that I am not going after you here….yet.  Otherwise, I am going to be insulted (lol)  I think that we both agree that I have been very calm, while remaining friendly with Steve.  However, I would not mistake my niceness for weakness at any point. 
    .
    The simple fact is that I had inside information that Steve is going to be sued, which I was able to help him divert with Brookstone.  I just like to try and use diplomacy to avoid war, but I assure you have no problem going to war, if I am provoked.  Maybe I feel like doing it because Stein helped me.  So what?  Who cares!?  You know what I would tell you, if I was one of those people in the article above?  I would tell you “who cares about that too!”  This is because it would not be illegal………..so who cares!  In fact, my only complaint with Stein is that I am not getting paid, if there is evidence that he pays people to do what I do. This is because if you have evidence that says that Stein is being paid…………I WANT TO BE PAID TOO!  Who cares!  So what!    
    .
    Now, I have revealed who my name is here, so why don’t you tell us what your name is?  You will not though will you?  This is because you do not want to be responsible for what you say. 
    .
    You are a coward!
    .
    John Wright 

    • Mel Content

      Jimminy Christmas. This whole thing makes me laugh. It’s all deck chairs on the Titanic. Do you know how flippin long we’ve been working? Even if the mortgage scam never happened we’d have plenty. Do you think Becky Parret came back because she forgot her make-up? You think nobody over all these years would drop a dime? The best thing for you little pilot fish to do is swim away from the big shark as far and as fast as you possibly can. Exhibit some wisdom and self awareness and maybe you’ll get to see your kids grow up without visiting hours. Its coming.

    • Mel Content

      Jimminy Christmas. This whole thing makes me laugh. It’s all deck chairs on the Titanic. Do you know how flippin long we’ve been working? Even if the mortgage scam never happened we’d have plenty. Do you think Becky Parret came back because she forgot her make-up? You think nobody over all these years would drop a dime? The best thing for you little pilot fish to do is swim away from the big shark as far and as fast as you possibly can. Exhibit some wisdom and self awareness and maybe you’ll get to see your kids grow up without visiting hours. Its coming.

      • Mel Content

        Fair warning, that was.

      • Mel Content

        Fair warning, that was.

  • LegalBeast

    What basis are you suing Honda for? You defaulted on your vehicle note, Honda took the cars and you’re suing? Truly curious.

  • Steve Rhode

    John sure seems like a nice enough guy but the arguments he’s making seem
    like the longest of reaches and the wrong approach.

    1. I had no part in the gathering of the material.
    2. I played no role and had no knowledge of the material before it was sent
    to me without my request.
    3. I notified the parties labeled as writers of the material, gave copies
    back, and thus my actions helped to identify there was a leak or security
    problem that was addressed.
    4. I’ve made no mention of the parties named in the material, except for
    those identified in the response from Davis. Only Wright has publicly
    identified alleged involved parties.
    5. The story is a factual listing of the events.

    What I don’t get is why either Wright believes, or Wright is under the
    impression from Stein that Stein is going to sue me over this. I gladly
    acknowledge that anybody can sue anyone for anything at anytime, but that’s
    not the smart play here.

    The smarter PR play by Stein would have been for him to play up his role as
    the victim in all of this to show how others must be afraid of what he is
    doing and targeting him. But no, if Wright’s statements are correct the move
    is going to be to sue the innocent journalist that helped to seal the leak
    by bringing it forward to the correct parties.

    I agree with you. I’m more interested in who was feeding Wright false
    information to inflame and manipulate him. That’s where the real story is.

    Outside of that it’s just another trip in “bizarro” mass joinder land.

  • LegalBeast

    I am an attorney. As such, it seems so odd the stance Wright takes from beginning to end. Once convinced he is not a part of the emails, the agenda remains, but the reasons change. Wright threatens many different threats throughout the threat in an attempt to have a journalists story removed. Wrights latest attempt comes with 4 “reasons” Rhodes can be sued. Well, certainly he can- though without much merit, if any. A suit on the basis of those 4 “reasons” to remove the story would be laughed out of the most liberal of courts. That is where the term “Reaching” was developed. 

    None of any of this would hurt Wright’s Honda case. So, what is the reason to make such demands with so little merit? Wright should be spending all of his efforts on an examination into the tipster who lied directly to him. Perhaps Wright could share with us the tipster’s motive for doing so. I can not figure out why, once Wright admits his source lied to him he continues to go after Rhode- who never mentioned Wright. Perhaps a simple need for attention?

    Very odd.

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve:
    .
    I understand how you see it Steve, but I just do not know that I agree with you, in which I would not make the choice to keep the above on my site, while reasoning these points you do.  I am far from being an attorney here, but attorney’s tend to like how I have an eye for things, which I usually use for my advantage.  Today, I am trying to use it for yours.  This is because us bloggers have to stick together, so we can be an effective front against the banks.  As your new friend, I am telling you right now that you are extremely vulnerable legally.  Not just civilly, but criminally.  You do not mess with something like that.  I am giving you the advice that I would give one of my personal friends.  You see, I am very certain that you have not spoken to your attorney about this in any depth, as I am sure he would agree with me.  I think that I have used this statement before, but it is just so readily apparent.  Otherwise, I would find an another attorney, but if I were you.    Like Mr. Stein or not, even your attorney might be simply out of his league, if not out of his mind, simply because Stein is not just any attorney here.  He is very aggressive, but also has a series of very complex winnings under his belt.
    .
    As I see it, I feel you are vulnerable for a number of reasons, but mainly these:  
    .
    One:  You are displaying evidence that you were in possession of stolen property.  Big mistake once in court!  This is an undisputed fact. 
    .
    Two:  Being in possession of stolen property would make you an immediate suspect in a criminal case.  You must keep in mind that every person caught with stolen evidence says “I did not do it,” but often will say “I did not know it was stolen,” in which in most cases they are convicted anyway, while they are left to defend themselves in court.  This is no different than if you were at one time in possession of a stolen television, but with the exception of the fact that it is actually worse than that, because you cannot say that you bought it legally.  However, the law will not even account for the television, unless you can give them the person who sold it to you, while proving that you did not know that it was stolen.  In this case, the fact that it might say “attorney client privilege” would make it hard for you to substantiate that you did not know.  Nevertheless, it is clear that it is communication between a client and his attorney, and ignorance to the law is no excuse. 
    .
    Three:  It might be reasoned in court that you were using it as some sort of weapon towards Mr. Stein, but as part of an ongoing agenda.  I am not saying you have one, I am just saying what would probably be used.  The fact that your advertisers seem to be “in the business,” would suggest that you might have a divided interest in what you are saying about Brookstone or Stein.  In my case, I do not get any money from advertising, but I am a protest site, which means that I can probably get away with more, but not much more.  I still cannot have stolen property.   
    .
    Four:  You are making some very serious allegations with your statement.  It is not even really a question you are asking, but a statement.  This means that damage is being done to the victims name, Mr. Stein.  Therefore, there is no court that is not going to see him as a victim.  This is because he is a victim, where you are not Steve.  In court, this will be the reality too.  Mr. Stein will have the empathy of the judge in this matter, because he is one of the victims.  
    .
    I will be happy to forward your message to Mr. Stein, but I can already tell you that he is going to to say no. This is because he is not going to comment on a lawsuit that he might be filing against the original person who did it.  This is where an attorney will usually say “No comment because there is pending litigation.”  The question itself even suggests that you do not know what you are doing. 
    .
    Steve, Mr. Stein is an attorney.  With all do respect, have you lost your mind?  This fact alone suggests that he is not “just kidding,” but will only feel obligated to show  you why he is an attorney Vs. the fact that you are not.  I would venture guess that you are actually provoking him to show you that you are wrong.  You are poking a tiger (Mr. Stein) in a cage, but you should not be surprised if you get bit.  Mr. Stein is not me Steve, but an attorney, who has said that he is going to sue you and seek all legal remedies afforded to him by the law, which might involve pressing charges. 
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    In conclusion, I hope you are right, because you cannot afford to be wrong, such as I can.  However, I am not wrong.
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    Let’s go back and look at the story.

    1. I got faxed some documents.
    2. I attempted to confirm the accuracy of the documents by emailing them to the people that allegedly sent them.
    3. I sent an email to the alleged senders, email above.
    4. Mr. Davis sent me back the notice you see above.
    5. I commented that if someone hacked Stein’s account that there must be an agenda against Stein.

    Stein can certainly sue but he’ll wind up looking like a bully and an ass over this issue. Besides the documents would then be part of the case and then made public.

    I have no agenda against Stein nor did I have any agenda against Brookstone. If you notice, on the site, these issues have very little real estate and represent a very small minority of the posts out there.

    My story is an open and honest reporting of the facts surrounding this issue. I have not disseminated the faxes to anyone else, I have no revealed names in the faxes, and I’m more than willing to participate in any FBI investigation of the matter.

    Please pass on a message that the smarter way forward would be for him to send me a statement with his side of the story and talking about the hacking of his account and what he thinks is the motive for someone doing this to him. I’m more than willing to give him a platform to give his side of the story.

    The story became his email was hacked and if anything I played a role in bringing it to his attention by attempting to verify the authenticity of the documents which lead to the discovery of the hacking.

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve:.Mr. Stein does not need my help as much as you do. This is all going to come down anyway.  .I found out it is not my name Steve.  That is not why I am saying that I think you should take it down.  I am not talking about my name anymore.  It is not my name.   Once again, if I cared to that level, I would had never said that I heard that my name was on it.  I simply do not get paid, which is why I have not eaten for three days, while I have no problem with defending myself against any ridiculous claim.  You are not getting the point Steve. That is not my point.  I do not know why you keep saying that over and over.  I have already addressed that I NO LONGER CARE ABOUT THE NAME THING.  IT IS NOT MY NAME.  If you were an attorney right now….. you would lose, simply because you are not paying attention.  You are not listening.  .The only way it hurts me, is if you hurt Steins name.   You see, Mr. Stein represents me with Honda.  I feel that this article makes him look bad because he cannot respond for the reasons I said above.  That means it is not fair that you post it, but at the same time make it look like he was guilty of something, based on the fact he did not deny the charges.  HE CANNOT DENY OR CONFIRM LEGALLY!  That is not fair now that I told you why he could not respond.  We have to be responsible here, in which your statement would not make it responsible.  You said that you only put this all up because he threatened you, but at the same time you insinuate he is guilty of something because he does not respond with a denial.  Now that you know that the response was not that weird at all, but actually legally required of him…….I am guessing you would take it down since you said that the felt he threatened you.  He had to legally!  Your statement is a manipulation of the truth, after you now know that he cannot respond.  I am saying it would make it look like you have an agenda to do harm to Mr. Stein..The reason I am mainly here is for you Steve.  This is because Mr. Stein did tell me that he is going to sue you.  I have tried to help you keep your dignity by giving the arguments, while hoping you would understand and be fair.   .I am amazed that both law firms I am with have all planned on suing you.  Brookstone had theirs written up, and all it had to do is be sent.  I helped you avert that.  I am simply trying to help you again.  However, I cannot help someone who does not want to help me.  Your not going to be right arguing with me Steve.  My reasons are based in fact.  This is why you are going to get sued.  .I do not care though.  Keep it up if you want.  I am the one that it hurts the least.  .You might want to talk to your attorney Steve, since you are going to have to anyway..Respectfully,John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    You have written much more about this than I ever did and you linked your name to it, I did not. I have never said you were involved in this, only you did.

    You just made the story about Stein getting his information hacked and having to notify his clients their personal information was compromised.

    John, if you want to help Stein, please stop commenting. The comments are only making this worse.

  • Piggybankblog

    Hi Steve.
    .
     
    Thanks for taking the time to write back. 
     
    .
    Well, you have to understand Steve that you had their stolen property.  I venture to think they were probably more freaked out that you had their stolen stuff, while not being so interested in cooperating with the fact that you had them on the menu.  For example, if you walked in and all your jewelry was stolen, but one person came to you with it on, while asking: “Was it a hooker who had this around their neck when you owned it?”……..I venture to think that your first response might be: “Give me my jewelry back!”  Other than that, I would also venture to think that the basic first human instinct might have been to try and control all their clients stuff.  This is because their first legal obligation is to probably protect their client, while showing they have taken all steps to do so.  They could be liable if they do not Steve. 
     
    .
    Also, you are forgetting that you were asking them a question about a document that they have told their client is attorney client privileged information.  They cannot answer your question one way or the other, even if they want to.  This is because the client could charge them with being in violation, while making the charge they were discussing their information in the document, which they are not supposed to be legally talking about.  This is even if it was true.
     
    .
    With that being said, it is why I think it is unfair that you have it posted.  It is even more unfair that you insinuate that it means they are guilty, after you now know they cannot respond.  
    In retrospect, it is equivalent to slapping a person who has no arms, but then claiming they do not know how to fight.  I know that you see it just as documents, but if it were  stolen TV, I am not so sure you would make them a victim twice, such as your comments seems to do.
     
    .
    Steve, you have to understand that people like you and I can be used very easy in this kind of situation.  A person gives  you this stuff, while letting you take the fall for what they are doing.  You must be careful. We must be careful. 
    .
    Steve, it is not fair.  I think the integrity of your site would be better served by removing it on that point alone.  I know that you do not mean it this way, but it will appear that you are more interested in the value that it serves you, instead of realizing they are a victim of a crime.  They are victims, in which you are sort of victimizing them again.   
    .
    I do not think the source is who you think it is.  It is not Mr. Stein, if that is what you are thinking.  Stein just contacted everyone and said that their personal client information has been compromised, such as the law requires them to do. 
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    Please reconsider.
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    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    I can sense you are stressed out.

    I put my name behind everything I print. In my world I get documents faxed or sent to me all the time. Most of them go nowhere and I never publish them, as in this case. I have not published them and don’t intend to.

    The reason this became a story was because of the unusual letter I got from the attorney. A simple denial the documents were not real from the people that allegedly sent them would have been fine with me to kill it. But what was up with the overkill threatening response. Either Davis doesn’t know how to deal with the press or there was something they didn’t want people to see. I figured I’d let readers make that determination.

    My advice would be for you to contact Davis, ask him to show you the email I sent to the two people identified in the email I sent them. You will see that everything I have said in my article is the whole story from my side.

    If anyone is telling you I have some massive stash of documents about you or I want to crush you it is a total lie and I’m not sure I can even begin to understand why winding you up is the motive unless someone wants you to go ballistic and go after me to discredit me for something I did not do. Examine the source that is feeding you this bogus information.

    You will see by my article above I was dubious of the context of the documents and they had not confirmed or reveled anything I could write about.

    What I did say is that if they were put into some context where there was proof of $ for X (whatever X was, I didn’t know what that was) then there would be some explaining to do. That is most certainly an obvious and statement to make based on the attempt to discredit two people with the emails. There was nothing nefarious or sinister about my effort to understand the emails that were faxed to me.

    If I had some intention to crush you why would I have reached out to the alleged authors of the emails to verify them?

    Take a good look at the source that is feeding you this bull and look at the situation in a different way. What is their motive? Let me know what you think.

  • Piggybankblog

    It is very possible that you are right about this.  This is because you are the third person to have told me that they think I am being wound up.  I think I need to call Stein myself, while I get to the bottom of this.  You are right.  This is not adding up at all.  I believe you right now, because I know you would not say this unless it was true.  I am just going to wait until someone shows me something in writing first, just to make sure someone does not have their facts all messed up that is telling me all this stuff.
    .
    I am sorry to have bothered you with this.  It was just a sort of freaky thing.  I have been under a lot of stress lately.  You see, American Honda Financial repossessed all my company cars, after being only just a little bit over 30 days late.  This is after buying cars in bulk for 25 years.  Anyway, my company solely depends on these cars to make money, in which I was without the cars for three weeks.  It was absolutely devastating.  I lost nearly 50k, but during a time where my small company was just recovering.  So I am under a lot of stress lately.  A lot of very strange things like this have been happening lately, which makes me feel like I am under attack.  I am guessing this whole thing was the perfect storm. 
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    Thanks for understanding J
    .
    P.S.  Someone said “I am Steve’s wife” and then asked me what I thought of the “Get out of debt guy.”  I just assumed it was your wife, because she said my husband.   It was a long time ago though, and maybe they were spoofing, such as you suggested.  
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright
    Piggybankblog.com

  • Steve Rhode

    BTW, My wife says she was never in your chat room. Must have been a spoofer.

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Here is how this all played out. I got faxed some documents. I think it was about 8 pages of emails. I contacted the people that allegedly sent this to me to confirm they were real and to put them in context for me. They asked me to send them the documents I received. I did. I then got the letter you see above.

    John, somebody is winding you all up from your side. Davis has the documents in question and he can show them to you. The documents I received were emails. If the FBI is investigating the matter then I am happy to cooperate but Davis already has all the pages I got.

    Steve

  • Piggybankblog

    Oh yah!  One more time:  “In closing”…..lol
    .

    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

    Steve:
    .
    I believe you that you did not use my name in your post, but that is not the issue.  However, I am also worried that someone might be using you, if they have altered documents, while sending you stolen property.
    .
    At any rate, my source validated that they heard from Stein’s office that you were in possession of my stolen information, along with others stolen information.  That is why you can confirm or deny this allegation right here and now for me.  If my name is not affiliated with what you had in your possession, just simply say it now, and I will be on my way.   You do not have to tell me who it was, but simply tell me that it was not me.   This way I can confirm if you were in possession of my stolen property, while showing intent that you were going to use it for your own purpose.    
    .
    In case you have not noticed, I am not so concerned with the fact that my name is in the documents, but I am concerned that you might have had my stolen information in your hands, while showing that you had intent of using that stolen information.  This is evidence might still be clearly displayed at the top of your page.  By this fact alone, I can tell by your response that you do not understand what I am getting at with this, but I was hoping that you could read between the lines.  It is readily apparent that you think that I am saying that you did damage to my name, by simply affiliating my name with it, while I imply a lawsuit.  This is because you are responding with the fact that you did not say my name, but that I did.  Therefore, you are standing there with your arms crossed, while insisting that it serves no legal threat to you, while you refuse to remove it.  That is your privilege, but I pray that you are right.  This is because if you are not right, you are not only in danger of a lawsuit, but you are in danger of having CRIMINAL CHARGES filed against you, while accepting stolen property for your own use.  This is readily apparent by your statements in the email communication above.  You became a potential accomplice, even if you refuse to see it that way.  This is why it is highly suggested that you reconsider, while not playing a battle of legal wits with me.  You do not have to be an attorney to realize that you were in possession of stolen property, such as in the case of my attorney client privilege documents, which makes you a potential suspect.  It would only stand to reason that you would want to completely clear your name, by cooperating with the victims of this crime.
    .
    Steve, I have heard that the FBI has been contacted, in which a crime has been reported.  That means the FBI is going to want signature from the victims, which states that you did not have their permission to have their property.  This is why I am trying to be fair with my new friends here, but I cannot make you save yourself, if you do not want to.   However, please do not say that I did not warn you.    
    . 
    For the record, I have not seen these documents myself, but Stein’s office will eventually confirm or deny the information for me very soon.  I have simply been contacted by their office, while being told that my information, along with others, has been stolen.  This is because Stein’s office has a legal obligation to inform all of the clients, victims and proper authorities. 
    .
    In closing, I truly hope that it is not my name in those documents, simply because I like you and your wife.  This is why I will find it very difficult to sign any paperwork that the FBI might want me to sign.  Nevertheless, do not be misled, because I have every intention of signing any paperwork that will bring all those accountable for stealing my property, such as my attorney/client privilege information.  This is because this is not only a violation of the law, but they are also in violation of my privacy and rights.  This is why you and I both pray that my name is not in those documents. 
    .
    For the record, I have never interfered with anything on your page that you have written about Mr. Stein or Brookstone, even if I felt it was contrary to my experience.  The fact remains that I do not know the facts surrounding the issues you have risen about Mr. Stein, in which I only comment on things that I know about.  You will find that the only time I tend to respond is when my name, or in this case, my stolen property is involved.  Otherwise, I simply mind my own business.  With that being said,   I am of course biased towards the attorneys and law firms representing me, such as Brookstone with BofA and Stein Honda.   Otherwise, I would not have chosen them to represent me. 
    .
    In closing, I wish you and your wife a good evening.  I have been afforded the time to get to know her awhile back in my chat room.  She is a lovely person J
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    Nobody would have associated names with my post if YOU had not posted them. There was nothing in my post that would have allowed anyone to piece anything together or link it to any name.

    John, if you don’t want people to connect this to you then please stop posting this stuff and drawing yourself in to it.

    Your name and a second persons name was NEVER posted by me, and in fact I’ve not admitted that it was your name, you keep saying it. Not me.

    Only Mr. Davis, who has the documents can give them to you. I no longer have them.

    Please stop posting your information here if you want to keep your name out of it. You are the one spilling information that people would never have known.

    If someone told you your name was posted in this article, they are flat out lying to you and again, you see to being played for the benefit of someone else.

  • Piggybankblog

    Hi Steve:
    .
    I am trying to remain calm of course, as it is my intention to keep a friendly and respectable dialog with you on this topic.  This way we can find a reasonable solution to all this, as you have proven to be reasonable in the past, but after I give my argument.  Therefore, I am hoping to appeal to this reasonableness again.
    . 
    Listen, a few people have said that they had seen mine and this other person’s name in what you have posted above.  Therefore, the damage is already done, even if you have removed our names, as I am sure you are reasonable enough to understand this.  This is even more so, after you insinuate that Mr. Stein’s attorney did not deny anything, but instead sends you a threatening letter.  However, I assure you that he would have had problems with me, if he would have confirmed or denied anything, simply because it would be cooperating with discussing my private attorney client information, which is stolen property.   Therefore, there should be no suspicion, while considering the fact that he responded the way he did. 
    .
    Also, you have written it in a tenor that might suggest that I have a lot of explaining to do, as if there is something scandalous involved, in which I am sure that there is not.  In fact, I am not only sure, but I am positive.  Certainly, if I had something to hide, I am guessing that I would not be here right now, while mentioning that I heard that it was mine and this other person’s name that was in it. 
    .
    With all that being said, there are several things I am concerned about here, in which I would like to mention:
    .
    1.       I have heard that one of the parties signed their name, but actually signed their own name wrong, which is very unlikely.  Therefore, it is my concern that you have documents that have been altered, which might suggest that someone is trying to set someone else up. 
    2.       You are suggesting that you have my personal stolen property, in which might have sensitive information about my lawsuit in it.  Therefore, even though you are not posting it, I still have reason to be concerned.  I know you said you did not know anything about Honda, but all of my communication with Mr. Stein is protected by the attorney client privilege.  This is a fact. 
    3.       Clearly, the fact that you had my name on it, but then have now taken it off…….might make it look like I am even more guilty, since you made the statement that implied Stein’s office did not deny it.
    .
    Steve, do you still have any of these documents you said you had?  If so, would you please be kind enough to send my property to me at my email: [email protected], just so that I can at least see what the hell this is all about?  Please also be so kind to send any other attorney client privileged information you might have, which might have my name on it.  This is especially important to me, if you consider that there seems to be evidence of altered documents, such as in the case of the person spelling their own name wrong.
    .
    In conclusion, I am respectfully requesting that you delete everything you have written about the stolen documents, after you consider that it is only evidence that you were in possession of stolen property.   The simple fact is that you have already done damage to mine and the other person’s name, in which you have a legal obligation to minimize any damage that you might have already caused.
    .
    Your full cooperation with this matter is very much appreciated.
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    No problem.

    Good luck on whatever the Honda thing is.

    Steve

  • Piggybankblog

    This is a relief to know Steve.  I am sorry that I was getting all upset then, but someone really did call me to warn me.  I do not really want to become part of the drama by revealing who told me, if it is not true.  I have been having enough drama with my Honda situation (lol)  At any rate, I would like to think it might be that the person who told me had the wrong information, but I am not sure exactly what is going on.  I am just relieved to know it has nothing to do with me for once (lol).  Ever since I watched the youtube of you and your wife, I really knew that you both were actually very good people (smile).  So I am happy that all is good between us.
    . 
    With that being said, I do want to say that my relationship with Mr. Stein has been a positive one.  I do not know about any of the other stuff, but he is alright in my book J
    .
    Thanks for answering my question Steve J
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Steve Rhode

    John,

    I have no idea what you are talking about or what a Honda lawsuit is.

    At this point you have released more information about things than I have.

    Everything I have said about the faxed documents I received you can see above in the article. Let’s say hypothetically you were one of the names I did not reveal and redacted in my article. You can see I never made any allegations about crushing, etc. Again, I categorically never made any such statement that I “was going to crush” anyone.

    I have not threatened to release any emails. I received emails and attempted to verify them by contacting the people that appear to be involved with them. In response I received the email you see above.

    End of story.

    What I’m interested in at this point is who is feeding you this information that is not true because you appear to being played by someone.

  • Piggybankblog

    I am getting all sorts of different information Steve.  I have someone saying that you said you wanted to “crush” me and Martin Andelman, in which you planned to do so by releasing hacked information that was stolen off of Steins computer.  They said that you claimed to have emails to prove that Stein pays me to promote him or work for him………..or some kind of bullshit like that.  For the record, I already know there are no such emails, simply because there has never been any such conversation or transaction between myself and Mr. Stein.  For the record, I am represented by Stein in my Honda Lawsuit, which means he works for me, but not the other way around.  Besides, I could not come out and bluntly promote Stein on my blog, if there is conflict between him and Brookstone.  This would be a complete conflict of interest for me, which is another reason that this kind of relationship would not exist between Mr. Stein and me.  However, the main reason is that I am not for sale either.
    .
    However, I was also told that you were threatening to release sensitive emails about my Honda Lawsuit, which might compromise my lawsuit with Honda, simply because it had strategy involved.  Certainly, you can see why I would be concerned at this point. 
    .
    Now Steve, our problems are in the past, but I am sure that you can understand that if any of this is confirmed…………….you and I are going to have troubles.  I do not want troubles with you, because I was actually happy all that crap was over with.  I even went on the record saying that I thought you might be a nice guy, and I was happy that I did not have to protest against you.  Nevertheless, I am sure you can understand that I would not think you were a nice guy, if you said that you had plans on crushing me.
    .
    Mr. Rhodes, did you say you were going to crush me? 
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

  • Piggybankblog

     I am getting all sorts of different information Steve.  I have someone saying that you said you wanted to “crush” me and Martin Andelman, in which you planned to do so by releasing hacked information that was stolen off of Steins computer.  They said that you claimed to have emails to prove that Stein pays me to promote him or work for him………..or some kind of bullshit like that.  For the record, I already know there are no such emails, simply because there has never been any such conversation or transaction between myself and Mr. Stein.  For the record, I am represented by Stein in my Honda Lawsuit, which means he works for me, but not the other way around.  Besides, I could not come out and bluntly promote Stein on my blog, if there is conflict between him and Brookstone.  This would be a complete conflict of interest for me, which is another reason that this kind of relationship would not exist between Mr. Stein and me.  However, the main reason is that I am not for sale either.
    .
    However, I was also told that you were threatening to release sensitive emails about my Honda Lawsuit, which might compromise my lawsuit with Honda, simply because it had strategy involved.  Certainly, you can see why I would be concerned at this point. 
    .
    Now Steve, our problems are in the past, but I am sure that you can understand that if any of this is confirmed…………….you and I are going to have troubles.  I do not want troubles with you, because I was actually happy all that crap was over with.  I even went on the record saying that I thought you might be a nice guy, and I was happy that I did not have to protest against you.  Nevertheless, I am sure you can understand that I would not think you were a nice guy, if you said that you had plans on crushing me.
    .
    Mr. Rhodes, did you say you were going to crush me? 
    .
    Respectfully,
    John Wright

    • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

      John,

      I have no idea what you are talking about or what a Honda lawsuit is.

      At this point you have released more information about things than I have.

      Everything I have said about the faxed documents I received you can see above in the article. Let’s say hypothetically you were one of the names I did not reveal and redacted in my article. You can see I never made any allegations about crushing, etc. Again, I categorically never made any such statement that I “was going to crush” anyone.

      I have not threatened to release any emails. I received emails and attempted to verify them by contacting the people that appear to be involved with them. In response I received the email you see above.

      End of story.

      What I’m interested in at this point is who is feeding you this information that is not true because you appear to being played by someone.

      • Piggybankblog

         This is a relief to know Steve.  I am sorry that I was getting all upset then, but someone really did call me to warn me.  I do not really want to become part of the drama by revealing who told me, if it is not true.  I have been having enough drama with my Honda situation (lol)  At any rate, I would like to think it might be that the person who told me had the wrong information, but I am not sure exactly what is going on.  I am just relieved to know it has nothing to do with me for once (lol).  Ever since I watched the youtube of you and your wife, I really knew that you both were actually very good people (smile).  So I am happy that all is good between us.

        With that being said, I do want to say that my relationship with Mr. Stein has been a positive one.  I do not know about any of the other stuff, but he is alright in my book J
        .
        Thanks for answering my question Steve J
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        No problem.

        Good luck on whatever the Honda thing is.

        Steve

      • Piggybankblog

         Hi Steve:
        .
        I am trying to remain calm of course, as it is my intention to keep a friendly and respectable dialog with you on this topic.  This way we can find a reasonable solution to all this, as you have proven to be reasonable in the past, but after I give my argument.  Therefore, I am hoping to appeal to this reasonableness again.

        Listen, a few people have said that they had seen mine and this other person’s name in what you have posted above.  Therefore, the damage is already done, even if you have removed our names, as I am sure you are reasonable enough to understand this.  This is even more so, after you insinuate that Mr. Stein’s attorney did not deny anything, but instead sends you a threatening letter.  However, I assure you that he would have had problems with me, if he would have confirmed or denied anything, simply because it would be cooperating with discussing my private attorney client information, which is stolen property.   Therefore, there should be no suspicion, while considering the fact that he responded the way he did. 
        .
        Also, you have written it in a tenor that might suggest that I have a lot of explaining to do, as if there is something scandalous involved, in which I am sure that there is not.  In fact, I am not only sure, but I am positive.  Certainly, if I had something to hide, I am guessing that I would not be here right now, while mentioning that I heard that it was mine and this other person’s name that was in it. 
        .
        With all that being said, there are several things I am concerned about here, in which I would like to mention:
        .
        1.       I have heard that one of the parties signed their name, but actually signed their own name wrong, which is very unlikely.  Therefore, it is my concern that you have documents that have been altered, which might suggest that someone is trying to set someone else up. 
        2.       You are suggesting that you have my personal stolen property, in which might have sensitive information about my lawsuit in it.  Therefore, even though you are not posting it, I still have reason to be concerned.  I know you said you did not know anything about Honda, but all of my communication with Mr. Stein is protected by the attorney client privilege.  This is a fact. 
        3.       Clearly, the fact that you had my name on it, but then have now taken it off…….might make it look like I am even more guilty, since you made the statement that implied Stein’s office did not deny it.
        .
        Steve, do you still have any of these documents you said you had?  If so, would you please be kind enough to send my property to me at my email: [email protected], just so that I can at least see what the hell this is all about?  Please also be so kind to send any other attorney client privileged information you might have, which might have my name on it.  This is especially important to me, if you consider that there seems to be evidence of altered documents, such as in the case of the person spelling their own name wrong.
        .
        In conclusion, I am respectfully requesting that you delete everything you have written about the stolen documents, after you consider that it is only evidence that you were in possession of stolen property.   The simple fact is that you have already done damage to mine and the other person’s name, in which you have a legal obligation to minimize any damage that you might have already caused.
        .
        Your full cooperation with this matter is very much appreciated.
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
         

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        Nobody would have associated names with my post if YOU had not posted them. There was nothing in my post that would have allowed anyone to piece anything together or link it to any name.

        John, if you don’t want people to connect this to you then please stop posting this stuff and drawing yourself in to it.

        Your name and a second persons name was NEVER posted by me, and in fact I’ve not admitted that it was your name, you keep saying it. Not me.

        Only Mr. Davis, who has the documents can give them to you. I no longer have them.

        Please stop posting your information here if you want to keep your name out of it. You are the one spilling information that people would never have known.

        If someone told you your name was posted in this article, they are flat out lying to you and again, you see to being played for the benefit of someone else.

      • Piggybankblog

        Steve:
        .
        I believe you that you did not use my name in your post, but that is not the issue.  However, I am also worried that someone might be using you, if they have altered documents, while sending you stolen property.
        .
        At any rate, my source validated that they heard from Stein’s office that you were in possession of my stolen information, along with others stolen information.  That is why you can confirm or deny this allegation right here and now for me.  If my name is not affiliated with what you had in your possession, just simply say it now, and I will be on my way.   You do not have to tell me who it was, but simply tell me that it was not me.   This way I can confirm if you were in possession of my stolen property, while showing intent that you were going to use it for your own purpose.    
        .
        In case you have not noticed, I am not so concerned with the fact that my name is in the documents, but I am concerned that you might have had my stolen information in your hands, while showing that you had intent of using that stolen information.  This is evidence might still be clearly displayed at the top of your page.  By this fact alone, I can tell by your response that you do not understand what I am getting at with this, but I was hoping that you could read between the lines.  It is readily apparent that you think that I am saying that you did damage to my name, by simply affiliating my name with it, while I imply a lawsuit.  This is because you are responding with the fact that you did not say my name, but that I did.  Therefore, you are standing there with your arms crossed, while insisting that it serves no legal threat to you, while you refuse to remove it.  That is your privilege, but I pray that you are right.  This is because if you are not right, you are not only in danger of a lawsuit, but you are in danger of having CRIMINAL CHARGES filed against you, while accepting stolen property for your own use.  This is readily apparent by your statements in the email communication above.  You became a potential accomplice, even if you refuse to see it that way.  This is why it is highly suggested that you reconsider, while not playing a battle of legal wits with me.  You do not have to be an attorney to realize that you were in possession of stolen property, such as in the case of my attorney client privilege documents, which makes you a potential suspect.  It would only stand to reason that you would want to completely clear your name, by cooperating with the victims of this crime.
        .
        Steve, I have heard that the FBI has been contacted, in which a crime has been reported.  That means the FBI is going to want signature from the victims, which states that you did not have their permission to have their property.  This is why I am trying to be fair with my new friends here, but I cannot make you save yourself, if you do not want to.   However, please do not say that I did not warn you.    

        For the record, I have not seen these documents myself, but Stein’s office will eventually confirm or deny the information for me very soon.  I have simply been contacted by their office, while being told that my information, along with others, has been stolen.  This is because Stein’s office has a legal obligation to inform all of the clients, victims and proper authorities. 
        .
        In closing, I truly hope that it is not my name in those documents, simply because I like you and your wife.  This is why I will find it very difficult to sign any paperwork that the FBI might want me to sign.  Nevertheless, do not be misled, because I have every intention of signing any paperwork that will bring all those accountable for stealing my property, such as my attorney/client privilege information.  This is because this is not only a violation of the law, but they are also in violation of my privacy and rights.  This is why you and I both pray that my name is not in those documents. 
        .
        For the record, I have never interfered with anything on your page that you have written about Mr. Stein or Brookstone, even if I felt it was contrary to my experience.  The fact remains that I do not know the facts surrounding the issues you have risen about Mr. Stein, in which I only comment on things that I know about.  You will find that the only time I tend to respond is when my name, or in this case, my stolen property is involved.  Otherwise, I simply mind my own business.  With that being said,   I am of course biased towards the attorneys and law firms representing me, such as Brookstone with BofA and Stein Honda.   Otherwise, I would not have chosen them to represent me. 
        .
        In closing, I wish you and your wife a good evening.  I have been afforded the time to get to know her awhile back in my chat room.  She is a lovely person J
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright

      • Piggybankblog

        Oh yah!  One more time:  “In closing”…..lol
        .

        Respectfully,
        John Wright
         

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        Here is how this all played out. I got faxed some documents. I think it was about 8 pages of emails. I contacted the people that allegedly sent this to me to confirm they were real and to put them in context for me. They asked me to send them the documents I received. I did. I then got the letter you see above.

        John, somebody is winding you all up from your side. Davis has the documents in question and he can show them to you. The documents I received were emails. If the FBI is investigating the matter then I am happy to cooperate but Davis already has all the pages I got.

        Steve

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        BTW, My wife says she was never in your chat room. Must have been a spoofer.

      • Piggybankblog

         It is very possible that you are right about this.  This is because you are the third person to have told me that they think I am being wound up.  I think I need to call Stein myself, while I get to the bottom of this.  You are right.  This is not adding up at all.  I believe you right now, because I know you would not say this unless it was true.  I am just going to wait until someone shows me something in writing first, just to make sure someone does not have their facts all messed up that is telling me all this stuff.
        .
        I am sorry to have bothered you with this.  It was just a sort of freaky thing.  I have been under a lot of stress lately.  You see, American Honda Financial repossessed all my company cars, after being only just a little bit over 30 days late.  This is after buying cars in bulk for 25 years.  Anyway, my company solely depends on these cars to make money, in which I was without the cars for three weeks.  It was absolutely devastating.  I lost nearly 50k, but during a time where my small company was just recovering.  So I am under a lot of stress lately.  A lot of very strange things like this have been happening lately, which makes me feel like I am under attack.  I am guessing this whole thing was the perfect storm. 
        .
        Thanks for understanding J
        .
        P.S.  Someone said “I am Steve’s wife” and then asked me what I thought of the “Get out of debt guy.”  I just assumed it was your wife, because she said my husband.   It was a long time ago though, and maybe they were spoofing, such as you suggested.  
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        Piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        I can sense you are stressed out.

        I put my name behind everything I print. In my world I get documents faxed or sent to me all the time. Most of them go nowhere and I never publish them, as in this case. I have not published them and don’t intend to.

        The reason this became a story was because of the unusual letter I got from the attorney. A simple denial the documents were not real from the people that allegedly sent them would have been fine with me to kill it. But what was up with the overkill threatening response. Either Davis doesn’t know how to deal with the press or there was something they didn’t want people to see. I figured I’d let readers make that determination.

        My advice would be for you to contact Davis, ask him to show you the email I sent to the two people identified in the email I sent them. You will see that everything I have said in my article is the whole story from my side.

        If anyone is telling you I have some massive stash of documents about you or I want to crush you it is a total lie and I’m not sure I can even begin to understand why winding you up is the motive unless someone wants you to go ballistic and go after me to discredit me for something I did not do. Examine the source that is feeding you this bogus information.

        You will see by my article above I was dubious of the context of the documents and they had not confirmed or reveled anything I could write about.

        What I did say is that if they were put into some context where there was proof of $ for X (whatever X was, I didn’t know what that was) then there would be some explaining to do. That is most certainly an obvious and statement to make based on the attempt to discredit two people with the emails. There was nothing nefarious or sinister about my effort to understand the emails that were faxed to me.

        If I had some intention to crush you why would I have reached out to the alleged authors of the emails to verify them?

        Take a good look at the source that is feeding you this bull and look at the situation in a different way. What is their motive? Let me know what you think.

      • Piggybankblog

         Hi Steve.
        .
         
        Thanks for taking the time to write back. 
         
        .
        Well, you have to understand Steve that you had their stolen property.  I venture to think they were probably more freaked out that you had their stolen stuff, while not being so interested in cooperating with the fact that you had them on the menu.  For example, if you walked in and all your jewelry was stolen, but one person came to you with it on, while asking: “Was it a hooker who had this around their neck when you owned it?”……..I venture to think that your first response might be: “Give me my jewelry back!”  Other than that, I would also venture to think that the basic first human instinct might have been to try and control all their clients stuff.  This is because their first legal obligation is to probably protect their client, while showing they have taken all steps to do so.  They could be liable if they do not Steve. 
         
        .
        Also, you are forgetting that you were asking them a question about a document that they have told their client is attorney client privileged information.  They cannot answer your question one way or the other, even if they want to.  This is because the client could charge them with being in violation, while making the charge they were discussing their information in the document, which they are not supposed to be legally talking about.  This is even if it was true.
         
        .
        With that being said, it is why I think it is unfair that you have it posted.  It is even more unfair that you insinuate that it means they are guilty, after you now know they cannot respond.  
        In retrospect, it is equivalent to slapping a person who has no arms, but then claiming they do not know how to fight.  I know that you see it just as documents, but if it were  stolen TV, I am not so sure you would make them a victim twice, such as your comments seems to do.
         
        .
        Steve, you have to understand that people like you and I can be used very easy in this kind of situation.  A person gives  you this stuff, while letting you take the fall for what they are doing.  You must be careful. We must be careful. 
        .
        Steve, it is not fair.  I think the integrity of your site would be better served by removing it on that point alone.  I know that you do not mean it this way, but it will appear that you are more interested in the value that it serves you, instead of realizing they are a victim of a crime.  They are victims, in which you are sort of victimizing them again.   
        .
        I do not think the source is who you think it is.  It is not Mr. Stein, if that is what you are thinking.  Stein just contacted everyone and said that their personal client information has been compromised, such as the law requires them to do. 
        .
        Please reconsider.
        .
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
        piggybankblog.com

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John,

        You have written much more about this than I ever did and you linked your name to it, I did not. I have never said you were involved in this, only you did.

        You just made the story about Stein getting his information hacked and having to notify his clients their personal information was compromised.

        John, if you want to help Stein, please stop commenting. The comments are only making this worse.

      • Piggybankblog

         Steve:.Mr. Stein does not need my help as much as you do. This is all going to come down anyway.  .I found out it is not my name Steve.  That is not why I am saying that I think you should take it down.  I am not talking about my name anymore.  It is not my name.   Once again, if I cared to that level, I would had never said that I heard that my name was on it.  I simply do not get paid, which is why I have not eaten for three days, while I have no problem with defending myself against any ridiculous claim.  You are not getting the point Steve. That is not my point.  I do not know why you keep saying that over and over.  I have already addressed that I NO LONGER CARE ABOUT THE NAME THING.  IT IS NOT MY NAME.  If you were an attorney right now….. you would lose, simply because you are not paying attention.  You are not listening.  .The only way it hurts me, is if you hurt Steins name.   You see, Mr. Stein represents me with Honda.  I feel that this article makes him look bad because he cannot respond for the reasons I said above.  That means it is not fair that you post it, but at the same time make it look like he was guilty of something, based on the fact he did not deny the charges.  HE CANNOT DENY OR CONFIRM LEGALLY!  That is not fair now that I told you why he could not respond.  We have to be responsible here, in which your statement would not make it responsible.  You said that you only put this all up because he threatened you, but at the same time you insinuate he is guilty of something because he does not respond with a denial.  Now that you know that the response was not that weird at all, but actually legally required of him…….I am guessing you would take it down since you said that the felt he threatened you.  He had to legally!  Your statement is a manipulation of the truth, after you now know that he cannot respond.  I am saying it would make it look like you have an agenda to do harm to Mr. Stein..The reason I am mainly here is for you Steve.  This is because Mr. Stein did tell me that he is going to sue you.  I have tried to help you keep your dignity by giving the arguments, while hoping you would understand and be fair.   .I am amazed that both law firms I am with have all planned on suing you.  Brookstone had theirs written up, and all it had to do is be sent.  I helped you avert that.  I am simply trying to help you again.  However, I cannot help someone who does not want to help me.  Your not going to be right arguing with me Steve.  My reasons are based in fact.  This is why you are going to get sued.  .I do not care though.  Keep it up if you want.  I am the one that it hurts the least.  .You might want to talk to your attorney Steve, since you are going to have to anyway..Respectfully,John Wright

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        Let’s go back and look at the story.

        1. I got faxed some documents.
        2. I attempted to confirm the accuracy of the documents by emailing them to the people that allegedly sent them.
        3. I sent an email to the alleged senders, email above.
        4. Mr. Davis sent me back the notice you see above.
        5. I commented that if someone hacked Stein’s account that there must be an agenda against Stein.

        Stein can certainly sue but he’ll wind up looking like a bully and an ass over this issue. Besides the documents would then be part of the case and then made public.

        I have no agenda against Stein nor did I have any agenda against Brookstone. If you notice, on the site, these issues have very little real estate and represent a very small minority of the posts out there.

        My story is an open and honest reporting of the facts surrounding this issue. I have not disseminated the faxes to anyone else, I have no revealed names in the faxes, and I’m more than willing to participate in any FBI investigation of the matter.

        Please pass on a message that the smarter way forward would be for him to send me a statement with his side of the story and talking about the hacking of his account and what he thinks is the motive for someone doing this to him. I’m more than willing to give him a platform to give his side of the story.

        The story became his email was hacked and if anything I played a role in bringing it to his attention by attempting to verify the authenticity of the documents which lead to the discovery of the hacking.

      • Piggybankblog

         Steve:
        .
        I understand how you see it Steve, but I just do not know that I agree with you, in which I would not make the choice to keep the above on my site, while reasoning these points you do.  I am far from being an attorney here, but attorney’s tend to like how I have an eye for things, which I usually use for my advantage.  Today, I am trying to use it for yours.  This is because us bloggers have to stick together, so we can be an effective front against the banks.  As your new friend, I am telling you right now that you are extremely vulnerable legally.  Not just civilly, but criminally.  You do not mess with something like that.  I am giving you the advice that I would give one of my personal friends.  You see, I am very certain that you have not spoken to your attorney about this in any depth, as I am sure he would agree with me.  I think that I have used this statement before, but it is just so readily apparent.  Otherwise, I would find an another attorney, but if I were you.    Like Mr. Stein or not, even your attorney might be simply out of his league, if not out of his mind, simply because Stein is not just any attorney here.  He is very aggressive, but also has a series of very complex winnings under his belt.
        .
        As I see it, I feel you are vulnerable for a number of reasons, but mainly these:  
        .
        One:  You are displaying evidence that you were in possession of stolen property.  Big mistake once in court!  This is an undisputed fact. 
        .
        Two:  Being in possession of stolen property would make you an immediate suspect in a criminal case.  You must keep in mind that every person caught with stolen evidence says “I did not do it,” but often will say “I did not know it was stolen,” in which in most cases they are convicted anyway, while they are left to defend themselves in court.  This is no different than if you were at one time in possession of a stolen television, but with the exception of the fact that it is actually worse than that, because you cannot say that you bought it legally.  However, the law will not even account for the television, unless you can give them the person who sold it to you, while proving that you did not know that it was stolen.  In this case, the fact that it might say “attorney client privilege” would make it hard for you to substantiate that you did not know.  Nevertheless, it is clear that it is communication between a client and his attorney, and ignorance to the law is no excuse. 
        .
        Three:  It might be reasoned in court that you were using it as some sort of weapon towards Mr. Stein, but as part of an ongoing agenda.  I am not saying you have one, I am just saying what would probably be used.  The fact that your advertisers seem to be “in the business,” would suggest that you might have a divided interest in what you are saying about Brookstone or Stein.  In my case, I do not get any money from advertising, but I am a protest site, which means that I can probably get away with more, but not much more.  I still cannot have stolen property.   
        .
        Four:  You are making some very serious allegations with your statement.  It is not even really a question you are asking, but a statement.  This means that damage is being done to the victims name, Mr. Stein.  Therefore, there is no court that is not going to see him as a victim.  This is because he is a victim, where you are not Steve.  In court, this will be the reality too.  Mr. Stein will have the empathy of the judge in this matter, because he is one of the victims.  
        .
        I will be happy to forward your message to Mr. Stein, but I can already tell you that he is going to to say no. This is because he is not going to comment on a lawsuit that he might be filing against the original person who did it.  This is where an attorney will usually say “No comment because there is pending litigation.”  The question itself even suggests that you do not know what you are doing. 
        .
        Steve, Mr. Stein is an attorney.  With all do respect, have you lost your mind?  This fact alone suggests that he is not “just kidding,” but will only feel obligated to show  you why he is an attorney Vs. the fact that you are not.  I would venture guess that you are actually provoking him to show you that you are wrong.  You are poking a tiger (Mr. Stein) in a cage, but you should not be surprised if you get bit.  Mr. Stein is not me Steve, but an attorney, who has said that he is going to sue you and seek all legal remedies afforded to him by the law, which might involve pressing charges. 
        .
        In conclusion, I hope you are right, because you cannot afford to be wrong, such as I can.  However, I am not wrong.
        .
         
        Respectfully,
        John Wright
         

      • LegalBeast

        I am an attorney. As such, it seems so odd the stance Wright takes from beginning to end. Once convinced he is not a part of the emails, the agenda remains, but the reasons change. Wright threatens many different threats throughout the threat in an attempt to have a journalists story removed. Wrights latest attempt comes with 4 “reasons” Rhodes can be sued. Well, certainly he can- though without much merit, if any. A suit on the basis of those 4 “reasons” to remove the story would be laughed out of the most liberal of courts. That is where the term “Reaching” was developed. 

        None of any of this would hurt Wright’s Honda case. So, what is the reason to make such demands with so little merit? Wright should be spending all of his efforts on an examination into the tipster who lied directly to him. Perhaps Wright could share with us the tipster’s motive for doing so. I can not figure out why, once Wright admits his source lied to him he continues to go after Rhode- who never mentioned Wright. Perhaps a simple need for attention?

        Very odd.

      • http://GetOutOfDebt.org Steve Rhode

        John sure seems like a nice enough guy but the arguments he’s making seem
        like the longest of reaches and the wrong approach.

        1. I had no part in the gathering of the material.
        2. I played no role and had no knowledge of the material before it was sent
        to me without my request.
        3. I notified the parties labeled as writers of the material, gave copies
        back, and thus my actions helped to identify there was a leak or security
        problem that was addressed.
        4. I’ve made no mention of the parties named in the material, except for
        those identified in the response from Davis. Only Wright has publicly
        identified alleged involved parties.
        5. The story is a factual listing of the events.

        What I don’t get is why either Wright believes, or Wright is under the
        impression from Stein that Stein is going to sue me over this. I gladly
        acknowledge that anybody can sue anyone for anything at anytime, but that’s
        not the smart play here.

        The smarter PR play by Stein would have been for him to play up his role as
        the victim in all of this to show how others must be afraid of what he is
        doing and targeting him. But no, if Wright’s statements are correct the move
        is going to be to sue the innocent journalist that helped to seal the leak
        by bringing it forward to the correct parties.

        I agree with you. I’m more interested in who was feeding Wright false
        information to inflame and manipulate him. That’s where the real story is.

        Outside of that it’s just another trip in “bizarro” mass joinder land.

      • LegalBeast

        What basis are you suing Honda for? You defaulted on your vehicle note, Honda took the cars and you’re suing? Truly curious. 

  • HUH?

    perhaps this is the beginning of “joinder-gate” or maybe “wiki-joinder” or “franken-stein”

  • HUH?

    perhaps this is the beginning of “joinder-gate” or maybe “wiki-joinder” or “franken-stein”

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