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8:15 pm
January 9, 2010


Cyndi

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I am $100,000 in credit card debt. Never realized that until my seperation.  I am trying to keep everything above water.  All of my bills are current – mortgage, etc.  but I am beginning to use credit cards to pay my bills.  My credit is in very good standing and I am afraid to that I am going to impact that.  I don't know if I should use a debt management, debt settlement, credit counseling to help because I don't want to mess up my credit. I DONT KNOW

I am on the verge of letting one of my creditors slide and not pay them because I am beginning to become stressed about this and don't know what to do.

My credit is good, I have an excellent paying career (hence all my debt),  but my debt-income ratio is pitiful and I see that soon I may have to begin to choose to pay a car payment or a creditor, and I know the creditor will lose.

I am also afraid that since I work for a credit card company and I have my company's credit card and I go into one of these programs, I may impacted that way as well..

Any advice would be great..

10:21 pm
January 9, 2010


Mike Killian

Exceptional Member

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Hi Cyndi

Where to start.  I understand you work for a credit card company and placing your use of your employers credit card in jeopardy I think is the least of your problems.  You have 100,000 in credit card debt and contrary to what your employor might say, living on a cash only or near cash only basis is the proper way to stay out of financial trouble.  I am so positive on your job you hear all sorts of propaganda and I m so glad you came here where you can hear material with no agenda attached.

First of all unless you earn about $100,000 per year you clearly need to take all your cards and out them in a zip lock bag and put them in the freezer and find out how to live on cash only.  It is clearly the goal you must focus on.  You simply cannot borrow your way out of debt.  In my classes at tell folk that "if you can't afford to pay for it in cash, you can't afford it.  It is that simple.

Now what can you do and here are ypur options.  negotiate debt settlemen which I do not advise at all and you will soon read why or you can contact a Debt Management Program (DMP)or you cn declare bankruptcy.  Those are you basic choices but first please read The Truth About Failure Rates.

BTW if you elect  a DMP and you are concerned about your employers card, simply do not include it.  And as far as your credit report and staying current, first of all I think that is just about to end big time regardless of hich option you choose and the truth is you really are not current on all your payments.  You are simply swapping this debt with a new debt on your credit card… kind of like writing a check to cover a check you have written and the bank has yet to find out.  In your case the credit bureau has not found out but very shortly will… completely unavoidable.

One final note.  If any of that debt is co-signed with a former spouse creditors will be looking for the spouse if you do not pay them.

I do wish you well and please give us some feedback on all this.Embarassed

7:44 pm
January 10, 2010


Cyndi

Junior Member

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Hello Mike -

Thank you so much for the feedback.  It is greatly appreciated.  

You are definitely true about the office propaganda.  It puts me on edge on occassion, that I look for other positions with different companies, just to gain relief.  I do earn six figures, but I am tired of paying six figures.  I am honestly scared to remove my credit cards because I know I don't have enought cash to pay them and my monthly household expenses.  If I don't pay my credit cards, then I am fine, but I know that can't be an option.

I guess it took me so long to build my credit back to the 700s that it scares me to put a blimish on it.  I use to think that if I could just get a loan then I could pay off some debt in about 5 years, but of course wiht my debt-income, I can't get a loan for what I need or even a 1/3rd of what I need..I never looked at swapping debt for new debt.  WOW that is an eye opener!!! Thank you!!

I will definitely look into DMP, but which one is good – there are so many out there. Any suggestions??   I thought that I had to include everything when going into a program, but this just may help. Thanks much…

Is using my American Express green card (that I have to pay off monthly), the same as using cash or is that just delayed credit.  I always thought that if I pay it off monthly, then there is no problem – your thoughts??

But I will try put away all my credit cards and see I'll I do for the next two weeks..  I have 6 credit cards & 1 loan and I use 4 of the cards; 2 are closed ( I did manage to do thatEmbarassed). All debt is mine – no co-signers..

I truly appreciate your communication – I felt emabarrased about my situation, but you are allowing me to look at things differently!!  Thanks and bless you!!!

Smile

9:47 pm
January 10, 2010


Mike Killian

Exceptional Member

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You asked about a DMP.  I am not certain what to tell you except to offer some general guidelines in selecting the correct Debt Management Agency.

It sounds like you do not have any references from anyone else so that makes it harder.  I hope you have read the article I suggested as that too offers guidelines. Again I have no idea who to offer nor who is good.

However, the largest group falls under an umbrella group called National Foundation for Credit Counseling (NFCC).  They have offices across the nation under the name Consumer Credit Counseling Services (CCCS).  Each office is operated independently so you would have to check with the office and the local Better Business Bureau to learn more of an individual agency.  But some of the questions you should ask is how much they charge, what is there completion rate, what are their fees.  See if you can talk to any satisfied customers.  Find out from BBB how many complaints they have against them.

There are general guilines not only for CCCS but any debt counseling service.

Good luck and please let us know what you learn.  That's how we learn.Embarassed

12:04 am
January 15, 2010


Cyndi

Junior Member

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Well I went to CCCS in my state to ask about debt management – went through the entire process of filling out the paperwork and long story short, I was told that I could not get into the program because my debt-income is within the "budget" – I was disturbed and confused, so I left.

But then I contacted a debt management company – http://www.consolidatedcredit.org – filled out all of the paperwork, spoke with a representative and he also informed me that he could not help – so now I am just confused.

The representative stated that I should take out a second mortgage to pay my debt – I am truly reluctant to take a home equity loan out to pay some credit cards..

What are my options of just not paying my cards – I have 2 creditors that will just not work with me and lower my interest rate, (Citibank & Chase)

what are the consequences?  I am considering bankruptcy, but would that be the same as a debt management – I feel these are my only 2 options left..

Thanks for your feedback..

12:30 am
January 15, 2010


Damon Day

Exceptional Member

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Hello Cyndi,

If you do not have the cash flow for a dmp plan, then you are either looking at a consolidation loan, debt settlement or BK.  Both debt settlement and BK will have a large effect on your credit.  Unfortunately, short of you bringing in more income so you can complete a DMP or debt snowball, it looks like you are going to have to make a choice between your credit score or getting out of debt.

You mention your cash flow situation is so bad that you are about to let some of the credit cards slip, which will certainly have an effect on your credit anyway.

Also you mentioned that your debt to income ratio is so bad you likely are unable to get a loan even with good credit.

I know you worked hard at getting your credit back up in the 700's, but what do you plan on using your good credit for over the next few years and is that worth 100,000 plus interest.

I don't know enough about the specifics of your situation to recommend either a settlement approach or a BK at this time, but given what you shared, one of those two options is likely your best bet.

A word of caution on Debt settlement companies.  Most of them are a complete rip off.  Stay away from any of them that want to charge all of their fees upfront, or before you complete the program.

I have some basic questions for you:

1. After meeting all of your required monthly expenses (not your credit cards) how much cash do you have available to devote to paying down your 100K debt?

2. Do you have any assets? (home with equity, retirement account, savings account etc)

Damon Day – Financial Consultant – DamonDay.com

12:55 am
January 15, 2010


Cyndi

Junior Member

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Hello Damon -

everything you said is a very true eye-opener and I guess I am going to have to forego my credit rating because its going to fail anyway..

For your questions:

1. After meeting all of your required monthly expenses (not your credit cards) how much cash do you have available to devote to paying down your 100K debt? 

I have about $1000 left over after all household bills are paid, but my credit cards averge $2600 monthly (OMG!!)

2. Do you have any assets? (home with equity, retirement account, savings account etc)

Yes, I have equity in my home, my husband and I are on the mortgage and he is not too happy about taking out a $100,000 loan for credit cards – I'm not either – maybe if I didn't have so much debt, that will be my last option – may sound crazy to some people, but my home will be paid off in 7 years; I have a retirement account that I have pulled funds against already – don't want to do that again, and my savings acct is pretty much depleted ( less than $500).

I have tried everything and is trying everything.

I have contacted a bankruptcy lawyer to just obtain information on filing..

Thanks..

1:04 am
January 15, 2010


Damon Day

Exceptional Member

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Hello Cyndi,

It is good to contact a BK attorney and review that option.  You can't make a confident decision until you are educated on all potential strategies.  Since you are contemplating taking money out of the house and it will be paid off in 7 years, I am assuming you have quite a bit of equity in your house.  Depending on what state you live in, your equity may be over the amount exempted.  If so, you will likely be looking to file a chapter 13 which is much different than a chapter 7.

A chapter 13 is a repayment plan where you will likely be paying on your debt for 3 to 5 years. 

If you want to look into a debt settlement strategy and compare it to what you learn from the BK attorney, you will need to assume that you will have to raise about 50K over the next 2 years or so to settle all of your debt.  Also keep in mind a settlement strategy is not the most pleasant experience to go through.  I recommend that you research both and then together you and your husband can decide the best route to go.

Damon Day – Financial Consultant – DamonDay.com

1:15 am
January 15, 2010


Cyndi

Junior Member

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Hello -

Yes, I am looking at a chapter 13, I will probably not research debt settlement as I have heard so many horror stories from all avenues…

I will inform you of my outcome with the BK attorney just to get your feedback.

Thanks very much, you & Mike have been very helpful!!!

This is an excellent forum – thank you!!!

1:18 am
January 15, 2010


Damon Day

Exceptional Member

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Not a problem,

I am glad we could help.  I would also recommend that you meet with at least 2 BK attorneys.  Please come back and share what you learn.

Damon Day – Financial Consultant – DamonDay.com



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