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Juugo and Kash Kwik Look Like Pyramid Schemes to Me

Through comments on the site I learned about a program being offered at KashKwik.com.

This alleged money making program appears to be nothing more than a typical pyramid scheme where future investors are sought out to provide funds to pay previous people into the scheme.

This means, everyone who joins AFTER you, will help push you to cycle. The Kash Kwik system is arranged so that every 4th person that joins (regardless of who sponsored them) will cause the next person in line to cycle. You don’t need to do anything but get in line in order to rise to the top and cycle. In Effect: The Kash Kwik membership MORE THAN DOUBLES every month.. with EVERYONE joining the line UNDER YOU… FORCING YOU TO THE TOP, cycling over and over again for $25 each time. – Source

Kash Kwik Web Site

Proponents of this program will say I don’t know what I’m talking about in my concerns over this program. But I learned a long time ago that any money making opportunity that makes no apparent and logical sense is probably just too good to be true and a scam.

The Kash Kwik program has it’s critics. See the comments below. But I am concerned that the claims of a guarantee offered by the program are not true.

Kash Kwik Guarantee

The Kash Kwik domain name was registered on April 8, 2010 for only a year. Interesting. I wonder this might be a pump it and dump it approach where there is no long terms game plan for Kash Kwik.

The site is hosted on a dedicated server with the following domains.

4ginfinity.com
50kbanners.com
Adslistsupreme.com
All-teamed-up.com
Crazylistmailer.com
Dgnslaunchalert.com
Dgnsnetworks.biz
Dgnsnetworks.info
Dhkwik.com
Fortunefrontier.com
Kashkwik.com
My-mlmtoolkit.com
My98kcbteam.com
Tagoldmine.com
Tcbteamvip.com
Tmifyi.com
Tngpro.com
Totalteamprofit.com
Whybelast.com

Almost all of the domains on this server, where ownership could be identified, are owned by Gregg Wallmuller of Fort Collins, Colorado.

For example, TotalTeamProfit.com is owned by Wallmuller and a visit to that site found a similar money making “cycling” approach. – Source

Total Team Profit Site

Another Wallmuller site, TCBTeamVIP.com promotes another mysterious money making opportunity called Juugo which mentions “cycle with me” in the underlying music track. The first mention is at 0:54 into the video.

[flashvideo file=/wp-content/uploads/Juugo1.flv /]

On the Juugo side of things it concerns me greatly that one of the primary products of the program is the selling and promotion of a UK based prepaid MasterCard to people in the United States. Not only will the use of the card trigger foreign usage fees but loading the card with additional money will be expensive to do in euros or pounds. – Source

Towah Prepaid MasterCard Fees

And by the way, Juugo is a company registered in Belize. – Source

An online comment about another Gregg Wallmuller site TAGoldmine said it was another cycling opportunity that is alleged to not pan out either.

I joined TAGoldmine, tagoldmine.com, with the hopes that they would deliver on their word, that I would actually cycle.

I stayed in for three months.

I never cycled as promised.

They take out $5.75 every WEEK.

It is like dumping money down the toilet. – Source

There is a lot more to all of this than I have time to examine right now. but based on what I’ve seen, my opinion is to stay far away from Juugo and Kash Kwik.

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Update 5-26-2010

Based on the emails and some of the comments below let me explain how this post came to life.

I have an older post on this site about a pawnshop called Kwik Kash. People had been coming in and posting comments on that talking about cycling. That didn’t seem to make sense in regards to a pawnshop. After several comments I looked into the matter and discovered Kash Kwik and after looking at the comments closer I figured out that is what people were talking about.

So I did a quick look into Kash Kwik and posted my opinion about what I saw. I was concerned that a site that was requesting an investment or purchase from consumers did not have any contact information listed. See contact page from site below and you will notice it is missing any owner or address on the site.

Kash Kwik Contact Page

Only because of the missing contact information I did a quick public records search and found out the owner of the site appeared to be a guy named Gregg Wallmuller based on the ownership of the other sites on the server. In order to show you my research I listed the sites to explain how I came to that conclusion.

The information in my article is a quote from the Kash Kwik site, a picture of the Kash Kwik site, a picture of the money back guarantee off the Kash Kwik site, how I identified the owner, and some observations and opinions about the Kash Kwik site and some of the related sites. Oh yes, there was one complaint I found online that I published with the source for that complaint. I only published the complaint because with the other complaints I had received from people it seem to confirm concerns people had.

This morning Wayne from Kash Kwik posted a bunch of comments and I asked him to point out what in my review was not true. He has not as of yet.

I have also received a bunch of emails from Gregg. I asked Gregg for permission to publish his emails with his statements to me. He did not give me that permission.

I have extended to him the opportunity to publicly post his statement, to respond to people that had issues and remedy those issues, and I am directing him here to this update and inviting him again to post a public comment to clarify anything I have in error or he would like to qualify for readers.

It’s probably a good idea for Gregg and Wayne to read the site review policy on this site as well.

For the record, I have no axe to grind with Gregg Wallmuller or Wayne. I don’t know those guys from a hole in the ground. People came to my site, complained about Kash Kwik, I looked into it and posted my findings and observations.

In my opinion, the best response from the Kash Kwik guys would be to use this opportunity to speak directly with people that might have been unhappy with the service, provide exceptional customer care to them, refund money to unhappy participants, and make raving fans out of unhappy people instead of, in my opinion, pretending actual complaints have not occurred and threatening me with legal action if I don’t take down, what appears to me to be, accurate information.

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Why I Said Kash Kwik Looked Like a Pyramid Scheme

I am not familiar with the MLM, opportunity, or money game world. Looking at the Kash Kwik program was my first post ever about something like this.

I had the opinion that the program looked like a pyramid scheme because the front page of the site appears to sell something where it was promoted all someone had to do was pay some money and then money would be earned for that person as cycles occurred. I did make an assumption that cycles occurred by people rolling over and/or new people paying in to the program.

That approach appears to be historically unsustainable to me since it relies on the churning of new blood or old participants.

The primary hype of the site was there was no referring, no selling to make money. It said people would get paid daily. I found those statements, along with my other observations, to be pyramid scheme as defined:

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, without any product or service being delivered. Pyramid schemes are a form of fraud. – Source

Since I wrote this piece I’ve also been told the Kwik Kash presentation looks like a “matrix scheme.” My only exposure to date to what a matrix approach is comes from this defination and warning:

Matrix schemes use the same fraudulent non-sustainable system as a pyramid; here, the participants pay to join a waiting list for a desirable product which only a fraction of them can ever receive. Since matrix schemes follow the same laws of geometric progression as pyramids, they are subsequently as doomed to collapse. Such schemes operate as a queue, where the person at head of the queue receives an item such as a television, games console, digital camcorder, etc. when a certain number of new people join the end of the queue. For example ten joiners may be required for the person at the front to receive their item and leave the queue. Each joiner is required to buy an expensive but potentially worthless item, such as an e-book, for their position in the queue. The scheme organizer profits because the income from joiners far exceeds the cost of sending out the item to the person at the front. Organizers can further profit by starting a scheme with a queue with shill names that must be cleared out before genuine people get to the front. The scheme collapses when no more people are willing to join the queue. Schemes may not reveal, or may attempt to exaggerate, a prospective joiner’s queue position which essentially means the scheme is a lottery. Some countries have ruled that matrix schemes are illegal on that basis. – Source





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Steve Rhode

Steve Rhode is the Get Out of Debt Guy and has been helping good people with bad debt problems since 1994. You can learn more about Steve, here.

41 Comments

  • I cancelled my Kash Kwik subscription a few days ago, I just checked it, and guess what? I have a referral, and I haven’t even been promoting!

    Now there is 4ginfinity.com, looks VERY similar, don’t you think?

    Simon.

  • That’s exactly how they play the “GAME” most of the first ones in are all in it together and get advanced notices before the general public and know the score.

    I know this for a fact because because this “high risk roller spammer lady” keeps sending me SPAM with these early notifications and I wish she would just STOP sending me these things!

    Now I’m not against people that like to take chances and play games or the lotto etc at all, As long as they know the real score before hand and know the odds and risk because they are stated in a clear and easy to understand manner.

    But what I am getting MAD about is this spammer for instance that does a real good job of making it look like shes just rolling in dough and that it will happen all so darn easy for you too! When there is a good chance it wont happen for you the way she is claiming it’s working for her.

    Lady with the initial S.T please STOP sending me all of these notifications.. PLEASE! Someone will report you one day and put an end to all of that.

    You could loose your positions at the places you say your making money at too if they find out your spamming people daily.

  • Steve,
    Thanks for all the info.
    After 1 month and no cycle kashkwik wanted me to pay again. Fat Chance!
    In their site they say they paid out $83275. How much did they take in?
    Even if you cycled today and sent to the end of the line, you now have over 4000 people ahead of you to cycle again. We all need to do our homework in these opportunities and do the math.
    I doubt KK will be here too much longer.
    One person emailed me and said he gets in early with a few spots cycles and gets out before the masses join. But, he’s just as bad as the scammers.

  • Yes, now at: 4004 as of June 14th. Count me in as one less, as I’ve cancelled my subscription also. Let’s see if I also will earn a cycle into my Alertpay account before my access is denied and my account closed. Seems they are losing members as members DON’T cycle, so I gave it a month, to be fair to them. Didn’t cylcle, cancelled. Rats leaving sinking ship syndrome.

    Simon.

  • Amazing, looks like kashkwik is going the opposite way now, 3 days ago there were 4078 active members and now there is 4000. Is there a prize for hitting zero, last one in takes all

  • Just to let you all know that kashkwik system does truly suck and im my favour because i did not pay my 2nd month and I had warnings on my page that my account was going to be deleted. The best part was that I went a full 2 weeks after my subscription ran out before my account got deleted and WAIT FOR IT, I cycled after my subscription ran out AND GOT PAID before my account got deleted.

    Also my account showed that I was due a matching bonus of $25 because one of my referrals just cycled and while I was eagerly waiting for more free cash from this scam, I think they realised and finally closed my account.

    The last couple of days I have been monitoring their homepage and watching how many active members they have.
    Yesterday they had 4078 members, today they have just 4055, so the figures speak for themselves, people are realising it is a scam and not resubscribing.
    Now how can they possibly still advertise this scam as just join, pay and sit back, cos nothing will happen, no one is joining, no one is being pushed up the line and everyone is static. It takes 4 sign ups to push one up the queue, and at this rate it will be over 12 months before anyone cycles, so I think this scam is now finished, just a matter of time before the doors close and they run with your money

    Soon after I got my $25

  • Hi, I’ve been with Kash Kwik for 18 days and not cycled, may ask for refund through Alerpay, and go with Just Got Paid. Anyone had experience with JGP?

    Have sent email to KK “support”, NOTHING!! Have had bad feeling about KK for a while now, so Greg and Wayne’s arrogant and somewhat pompous replies have confirmed that feeling.

    Please comment on my comments.

    Simon.

  • Hi, I have been with Kash Kwik for 18 days, haven’t cycled, and haven’t reffered anyone, even though I have been promoting it heavily. People just aren’t interested. What I may do is try and get a refund from Alerpay, and then use Just Got Paid, which is similar. Anyone had any experience with Just Got Paid?

    Oh yes, I have sent a request for “What is going on?”, had NO reply, don’t think I’ll get one either. I’ve had a “bad feeling” about Kash Kwik for a while now, so comments above from users, and the rather pompus and arrogant attitude of Wayne and Greg just re-enforce this.

    Please comment on my comments, thanks.

    Simon.

  • Hi Steve
    Yes alertpay is much like paypal. You deposit money from your bank and pay for online goods with it. A lot of these ponzi,s and scams wont use paypal because it is very easy to get a refund with paypal, and paypal wants nothing to do with these scams. Alertpay on the other hand are a bit more relaxed and tend to let anyone set up an alertpay account without too many questions.

    Going back to Kash Kwik, I just looked at their terms and conditions and there is nothing in there about the 90 day policy. Lets hope alertpay recognise this scam and close their account. A scam in my eyes is being duped into a programme from very misleading info, legal or not, KK is a scam.

    • Dave,

      Thanks for the alertpay information. I see the company is located outside of the U.S. which reduces consumer protections for financial transactions. I have a media request into the company to interview them about refund policies and procedures if a user feels unhappy with a product or service.

      Steve

  • Your refund is worthless, I keep pointing this out, but you keep ignoring it.
    People see this misleading bit of info and sign up without really looking into it.

    I will repeat what i said previously, everyone will cycle in 90 days and get paid something, the rate of signups means that you will probably only cycle once in 90 days and lose money, so you dont pay the refund so please change your wording on this.

    You also dont explain how you can just join, sit back and relax and do nothing as your site states, this needs to be changed because like I said before, do this and you are guaranteed to lose without sponsoring, also you are going to get into serious trouble with the trading standards people when they find out about this, reports have already been filed against you.

    I am not 100% convinced this is legal, it is a cleverly disguised money go round like chain letters, you get to the top and get paid, it is also illegal because the people are being misled into joining and alertpay have also been informed of this. Yes there are products you get in return for your payments, this does not make it legal. If the consumer is not getting what he/she is promised, then it is illegal. You can argue this all day if you like, how would you like me to file a complaint to the internet fraud team and see what they say, someone may have already done this anyway.

    So before you reply to this please do not avoid the points I have raised here.
    Thanks Steve, I have used your bookmark links to spread the word on this.

  • Hi Steve

    The simple fact in all of this is, that before a member is able to actually register, they must first agree to the Terms & Conditions that have been put in place on any website that we own. Some likely don’t even bother to do so and jump right in. Then, when they are not happy and are not earning fast enough, they come and ask for a refund.

    Now, if they ask for a refund in the time frame that the refund has stated, we issue that refund. And we have issued refunds to those that have asked for them that were in the time frame in the terms and agreements.

    In the case of KashKwik, there is a 7 day refund policy and there is also a 90 day money back guarantee. Two totally different policies… 7 Day refund policy is in the terms… The 90 day money back is just that, and as you have posted above, it states they must stay active for 90 days. If after 90 days they have not cycled and earned any money, then they can ask for the first 3 months of money that they paid in to the program be refunded. It also states that they CAN, even after they receive the first 3 months ($51 ($17×3)) refunded, keep their subscription active, if they wish. And of course we will honor that as we are honest people. We haven’t even been open 90 days to be judged on that yet!

    99.9% of other sites out there similar to ours do NOT offer any type of refunds at all, they offer No Refund Policies. We’re not like those 99.9% though. We include refund policies on ALL of our websites! And we honor them as long as they are in the refund policy guidelines. We do sometimes make exceptions for people in special types of circumstances and issue refunds after the policy has expired.

    Now, for someone like the lady, “Sciantel” who was explained this nicely by one of our support team, who turns around and because she feels she should be above the terms and asks for a refund 20 days after the original 7 day refund policy, then goes out and slanders and bashes us and says we were crooks, liars, and that I am mentally unstable, because I pointed out the facts (never yelled, bashed, harassed, or said anything un true, and have all the emails to prove it) to her…. THEN expects us to refund her 20 days after the policy she agreed to when she became a member by accepting the terms & conditions. As I told her, “Is it ok for others to abide by the rules and policies but you are free to do otherwise?”

    The simple fact here is that we have issued a refund to every person that has asked for one in the designated time frame that is listed in the Terms & Agreements. Every single one!

    Just a side note; after receiving her nasty emails to us, which are also being looked into for legal action, we did let her know that we went ahead and told the payment processor company to refund her money ( and she received an email from the payment processor informing her of this). But of course that’s not mentioned here by “Sciantel”.

    Nor is the fact that she attempted to change her information registered with KashKwik so that our attorneys couldn’t locate and contact her. I say attempted. She apparently, judging by her emails and posts here, didn’t even understand the program or how the refund and also the 90 day money back guarantee work. If she did, it would never have gotten this far. It’s all plain English (with a translator on the site for those that do not read English) and easy to read and understand.

    As for the statement above that you posted about TaGoldMine.com from the person that said they were in 3 months and never cycled. That person actually cycled a couple of times and we proved that and they received their payment the same day they cycled.

    As for TCBTeamVip.com, that was a free team website to help our team members promote a program. Nothing wrong with that, and Juugo, that is not our program or company but I can tell you that it was recently voted number 22 in the top 50 best start-up businesses, so I guess it can’t be all that bad huh.

    I will leave this entire matter here. I would hope that before you simply copy and paste in the future, you yourself would read and research a little further and get to the truth. Doing so could only increase your credibility with the online community.

    I wish you the best,

    Gregg

  • My comments are not here again, and before you mentioined they went into a spam folder and my email address is not on any blacklists – Why?

  • Thanks for the info, I have just applied for a refund via alertpay on the grounds of being duped and misled by false advertising on their site

  • That’s just what I had to do, a task set out before me to explain to people, that kash kwik was very misleading. The only person making any money is the one who owns this site and he got it all off of unsuspecting people just like me, who are poor and got tempted by a site that promised money to them not knwing the full example of how it worked. I got fed up and went to alertpay and I got real results cause I protested still when my 30 days wasn’t up with alertpay and I am getting my refund. They think I have taken advantage of their system meaning kash kwik, but I see it as they took terrible advantage of me and others like me who aren’t too smart on investment sites things like this. People who are innocent and can get screwed over really easy.

  • I think the whole set up is a complete rip off, the kashkwik site is very misleading, just join, no sponsoring needed, just get in line and get paid, what a joke. If you do this you will be seriously out of pocket, with members joining everyday(mugs) this only extends your cycle time to months, what will happen if membership gets up to 10 or 20.000, it will take months to cycle, do the math, its not rocket science. I can see how it can benefit the heavy mlm,ers, but we are not all into mlm, and I think the majority of testimonials are from people who got in very early and cycled quickly. In fact I think one or maybe more testimonials might be false because well after I signed up, someone claimed to cycle twice. I joined excactly 1 month after launch and I did not cycle, so it was a definate no brainer for me to cancel.

    As for the refund, what a joke, a very clever ploy to gain confidence. You only get a refund if you do not make any money in 90 days. Ok so lets say you cycle once in 90 days, which at this moment and time is probably possible, you would have spent $51 and earned $25 and no refund because you earned money. So KK if you are reading this, do the right thing and change the wording on your website so that everyone thinking of joining knows exactly what to expect.

    Lost for words, ok try this..

    Join KK today and if you do not promote you will not get paid because you will not cycle due to the high number of members we have.

    Oh and dont forget about our money back guarantee, we will only pay you your refund if you make no money whatsoever in 90 days, and just to make it perfectly clear, put another way you will not get a refund if you only cycle once because you earned.

    I am not deliberately slating KK because I failed and lost money and did not cycle, I am annoyed at the way I was suckered into this very misleading venture by the KK front page which is all lies, so come on KK do the right thing and speak the truth on your site

  • I am Following up on Waynes Post, just look at the testimonials from the biggest marketers online. Those testimonials have links to the sites of the people that wrote them lets write them and see if they are REAL. I have earned money with Gregg & wayne They have never missed a payment. If they say we pay daily It’s there guaranteed. If they make you a guarantee of 90 days and you read the terms and agree to it and kashkwik doesnt make you money You will be paid. Now what is really irritating is your all gonna drag a great business man who has all of our best interest at heart he wants us to make money. So here goes I can run and say scam,crook, and blame the business that we didnt cycle in the first month and make an $8 profit. or we could actually wait 90days and see what we make,If nothing else we get a refund. Why not look at the big picture and promote like crazy and make yourself a good chunk of money instead of worrying about $17. The ones promoting are what causes the cycles and the $6,000+ to be paid out in the first 30 days. I think if you do not have the $17 to spend and your not going to use the program to make much more that your investment it really doesn’t make sense to join it. So lets not even give the kashkwik more than 30 days, Lets drag the owners through the mud then do it again next month in another program that really is a scam with no guarantee, no contact info. The program is what we make of it, If I just joined and watched tv i wouldnt of been paid 9x but I wouldnt attack the owner either. I would also like to point out that that this blog by Steve Rhode is a get out of debt blog which has absolutely nothing to do with cycling or marketing. I read your complete write up and you havent been in these companies you dont know these people. I dont think you understand any of these programs. You cant hear or see one thing then pull up thier server list than go around the net to find little tidbits that are negative about each one. Wheres the positive things about each one??? David is commenting about not cycling and writing support maybe if you joined the program you would be cycling. I was wondering Steve you have this little get out of debt blog and you know kashkwik is generating a ton of traffic so lets geta couple friends and call it a big pyramid scheme going back 10 years and people will come here to read it. Thats pretty smart and while they are here they will click on all of steves linke on the site so he can make money on people getting out of debt REAL NICE.

    • Gerard,

      I agree, I don’t typically write about cycling and “money games” as one person said. You can see in one of my previous comments how this article came to be.

      Steve

    • Gerard

      Thx , good comments Gerad

      Myth: Program is Money Games
      Fact: Alexa ranking of less than 13,000 with YOUR BANNERS on the site for $17 a month (Great Advertising tool)

      Myth: I didn’t cycle therefore its a scam
      FACT: Oh well – Not my problem – Advertise – use the banner placements to other programs your in, and get the bonus material to learn something instead of whining.

      ONE LAST FACTOID: THere is NO COLLEGE COURSES for ONLINE MARKETING – they MENTION ONLINE MARKETING in college courses , but there is not set-aside, internet college marketing course, ie: list building, viral marketing, gorilla marketing, email marketing, safelist, classifieds, solo advertising, PPC, SEO, Landing page, squeeze page, back door page, pop up or pop under advertising, banner placements, and the list continues each year. YET – ALL OUR PROGRAMS have eBook after eBook after eBOOK after eBook to “TEACH, TRAIN, SHOW,” Affiliates , Members, whatever you want to call them , HOW TO advertise online, and more……. Thousands upon THOUSANDS of dollars in material – yet – nobody reads them because they are looking for the QUICK BUCK and that is again, NOT MY PROBLEM – its their business and if thats how they want to run it, they will fail, and some will complain – HENCE THIS THREAD ON THIS SITE….

      Now Steve, you admitted by asking “What does cycle mean” that you are unfamiliar with MLM or NETWORK MARKTING – yet , my only complaint with you is you “deemed” our business a PYRAMID SCHEME – and your not only off base, you again, didn’t talk to the owners at all….. WHICH either you are caught up in typical ONE WAY , don’t hear both sides, internet kangaroo court crap and make decisions based on one side of stories, or , you are a really quick leaerner and understand everything about these programs. I don’t know which, but I think you do

      Wayne

  • I did not cycle either and canceled, Real nice for the ones who did sure, I know the feeling back when cyclers were all the rage I made some money too for a week.. Then thay ALL died.. Over 30 of them people!!! They ALL disappeared just as fast as they came.

    That’s back when they said right on the front that they were a “Money Game” and we only had to risk a few bucks.

    Now they are just asking for a whole LOT more money and took the “Money Game” off the front and use fancier websites that’s all!!!

    NEVER EVER will I fall that that garbage again for as long as I live!!

    There are a lot of things I wont even bother with after KashKwick I learned my lesson, I don’t CARE what you made buddy.. What about the people who made zero?

    I’m so happy nobody joined under me and I am ashamed I ever promoted it, From now on I only want to promote GOOD things that people can use or at least have a 50/50 shot with. Because I care about people more than money anyhow!!

    Wait in LINE to get slaughtered? No thanks, I have better things to do with my money like buy my son decent clothes.

  • If you did a lookup on one of our 3 servers and found only:
    4ginfinity.com
    50kbanners.com
    Adslistsupreme.com
    All-teamed-up.com
    Crazylistmailer.com
    Dgnslaunchalert.com
    Dgnsnetworks.biz
    Dgnsnetworks.info
    Dhkwik.com
    Fortunefrontier.com
    Kashkwik.com
    My-mlmtoolkit.com
    My98kcbteam.com
    Tagoldmine.com
    Tcbteamvip.com
    Tmifyi.com
    Tngpro.com
    Totalteamprofit.com
    Whybelast.com

    Why didnt you mention:
    titan-team.com
    expresstravelboard.com
    teamexcite.com

    These are on our server – wondering why you left off these 3 sites?

    Interesting to say the least

    Thx
    Wayne

  • I’m not sure where you are all getting this info from and I dont think your giving kashkwik or Gregg Walmuller a fairshot. As far as kashkwik goes I joined on day one I have cycled 4x for $100 then I earned $300 from my referrals cycles which pay me $25 each. I am not one to sit and wait for a cycle I have a downline of 33 and I am earning on 41 spots in the Line. So from some one that has earned $400 in one month. Kashkwik Is Awesome maybe this blogger has his own agenda like another program. Gregg is a wonderful father who has 2 boys and put his heart & soul into coming out with programs where anyone can earn money regardless of skill. You think hes a millionare from this program he makes crap he wants people like me to make money he has even advertised my links gifted me into programs. Please dont sit here and beat him up cause you havent cycled, Bring in people & earn all over the line like I do. Its $17 people and its Guaranteed. Show me another cycler thats Guaranteed and easy as hell. I Love KashKwik & I Love The Alertpay Payments Keep Them Coming Gregg.

  • change this site to http://www.slander.org
    cause thats all your doing…

    As far a JUUGO Goes – We dont run that anymore, but our sponsor went to Trinidad with the JUUGO Leaders – and its an up and up program, just not
    not doing well, yet, did we call it a scam? No – we dont do that..

    2nd: Gregg and I own a Hosting company, and we have 3 servers

    3rd: The above entries are from people who want handouts and don’t read terms, you even posted the TERMS – whats it say? 90 days? Or is that MIrage?

    4th: Our system pays out a percentage of over 85% , plus over 1500 in contest money, and another 5000 is scheduled for this month in KashKwik

    5th: I personally would not write this , but slander and name assasination by this site, without the OWNER even talking to Myself or Gregg is amazing to me.

    Shall I open a website now , and slander getoutofdebt.org? Or the liar who said he never cycled in The Advertising Goldmine. Or People who CAN’T READ and then find out its too late cause they didnt read the TERMS?

    Why don’t those who dont like the programs, just cancel and write up the 17 dollars as an “ADVERTISING COST” – oh wait, they don’t claim the earnings they make on tax returns ….

    It gets old and I do own 3 servers – I can do damage too, but I am above that.

    I suggest you cancel this thread, and talk to us , the other side of the coin, before this gets out of hand, and you will NOT WIN this battle.

    Wayne

    • Wayne,

      The article about Kash Kwik was the result of comments made by people on another post about a company Kwik Kash. I guess people got the names mixed up. Once I noticed the mistake I then looked into Kash Kwik and posted the article above and moved the corresponding comments over. In fact one of your previous comments was part of that group. It was the one that began “Cycling is a term that means when “x” amount …” I think you might not have remembered previously responding to my cycling question.

      Rather than attack me, is there anything that I wrote in the quick review that was not true that you would like to clarify or address to help people build confidence in your operation? Previously you came across as a level-headed professional and now do you simply want to attack and come across as a bully?

      I’m not sure how talking to you would have been a benefit in this case. The review is based off what your site says and it was unnecessary to talk to anyone to review the site. Again, this began because of the comments of concerned consumers. Maybe you could respond to some of those directly and help those people get their money back in a helpful and friendly way?

      I am confused about your statement that people should just cancel and write off the $17 when you seem to clearly offer a money back guarantee on your site. Would they not be entitled to their money back under your refund policy?

      Steve

      • QUOTE
        I am confused about your statement that people should just cancel and write off the $17 when you seem to clearly offer a money back guarantee on your site. Would they not be entitled to their money back under your refund policy?
        UNQUOTE

        You are right. the REFUND Policy is clear, its 90 days MBG – (thats 17 dollars x 3) if they do not make money. We are the only company that does that. It does not say, You can cancel before 90 days is up just because you feel like it. It says you have a 90 DAY MBG if you do not make money in that time frame. This is not rocket science, its simple ENGLISH. If people can read ENGLISH , or bother to read terms at all instead of skimming over them and making up their own definitions, or asking if they don’t understand before they signup -guess what Steve, this thread would never happen.

        Thx
        Wayne

  • As part owner of TAGM and some other companies with Gregg, I have but one question for you … Do you slander people on purpose or by accident?

    For starters: this is a lie __> QUOTE I joined TAGoldmine, tagoldmine.com, with the hopes that they would deliver on their word, that I would actually cycle.
    I stayed in for three months.I never cycled as promised. They take out $5.75 every WEEK. UNQUOTE — THEY DID CYCLE and MAKE MONEY…. LIE #1

    Now lets look at some REAL TESTIMONIALS:
    KashKwik is First

    Well guys, after the Merry Profits, I hated cyclers, but I fell in love with Kash Kwik right away!

    Every 4th person that joins (or renews) causes a cycle and 2 people to get paid! With its monthly structure, 90 day Money Back Guarantee and daily payouts, it will be hard for you to find an easier money maker!

    Merry Makowski, Canada

    WOW WOW WOW!!

    This program is awesome .. I think it is easy for us to make money with this cycler..everyone can make money Quick.. so hurry guys..

    GO GO GO
    Denise Hannie

    I signed up and cycled before I had a chance to tell a single person about this, its awesome!

    Bill Ivey
    Memphis, TN.

    Hi There

    I came home for lunch today and Merry suggested I join Kash Kwik and oh Boy, was I negative.

    Anyway something in my little brain said, have a go you mug! And I did. Boy am I glad about that. I came home from work in the afternoon and I have cycled and earned 25 bucks.

    Call me a happy camper, your right on the button with that one mate!

    Have a go.

    Stan Maley

    Hey guys..

    I joined right away after my Top Leader, Denise asked me to

    Yes .. this program Rocks and what when you refer 20 people ? you can get $20 x $25 = $500!!

    Wow.. I am so excited, if you have not signed up, You are going to miss the HUGE BOAT !

    Lawrence

    Hey Kash Kwik Admin, I just want to let you know I am very impressed with Kask Kwik. What an Awesome Idea to Let People Make BIG Money without Referring, This is a dream come true Program. I was so Amazed to see I cycled 2x in 6 hours when we Are just getting started. Also I need to Give Props To This Awesome Admin, You always come up with ways for EVERYONE To Make CASH On the Internet Regardless of skill.

    Thank You
    Gerard

    WOW, got paid less than 4 hours after launch! Thanks for doing EXACTLY what you said you’d do!

    Kash Kwik is GREAT!

    Duane Mobley

    Holy Spit Batman! These folks have really got their sh*t together! I have a list of hundreds of wanna-bee and super lazy online folks who have never made a dollar on the net. This is right up their alley. Nobody will complain about the cost, especially when they get to do nothing and can still earn a pee-pocket full of cash.

    Glenn Darling – Vancouver Island

    Fashions come and go.
    Cyclers used to be hot a couple of years ago, and I loved them.
    Now it looks like they are back and I’m very happy.
    I just love to cycle, cycle, cycle and cycle !

    Happy Cycling

    Rune F
    CEO MlmProNews

    Geez Louise…Ive only been in the program 18 hours and Ive already cycled without referring anyone…this is great!

    Kevin Higgs

    WOW I have never joined a program that paid the very next day! I cycled with Kash Kwik and was extremely exciting! I am looking forward to more cycles in the future as well as inviting all my friends.

    Stephen

    WOW! Finally a program that delivers on what it promises. I joined and sure enough I started cycling! I’m going to tell everyone I know about this program. It just flat out works! All I can say is…THIS IS THE REAL DEAL!

    Vincent Troutman

    Denver,CO – USA

    WoW!! I’ve been doing this for a few years and never cycled this fast, fast I mean less than 24 hours, I must say I was thinking and thinking, than I received an email saying dont wait to long, so I joined and am glad I did..

    Patti

    Hey admin I am an admin myself which I dont have alot of time to promote so this was perfect for me to join! I bought one position which in less then 2 days has cycled twice plus 1 of my 3 referrals have cycled! Spot on my friend and everyone dont hesitate on this! Blessings to all Jay Sams!

    Totally Awesome! People love a winner and this is the fastest I’ve ever been paid by a program. I am sure this is going to be a Huge Winner for years!

    David Sherman

    Webmaster

    W O W !!!! i just joined this program 2 days ago and i cycled the very next day, it was amazing to see that i didnt even start to promote and i was already in profit not even 24 hours, come in everyone and GET- IN – LINE and get PAID TODAY.

    LAWRENCE N TINA H
    ALBUQUERQUE, NM

    Hi folks: Wow what have we got here, this is the best thing since sliced bread. I just joined and i’m so excited to see so many people cycling and know that i’m not far behind them. I’m glad to be a member of this great team.

    Larry D from Tn.

    Greetings,

    My name is Keith Mason and I joined Kash Kwick on April 21, 2010. In less than 24 hours and without personally sponsored anyone I cycled and got paid. I am now telling all my friends and whoever I come in contact with that Kash Kwik is the best thing to hit the internet since Thomas Edison invention.

    Good Evening Everyone, Thanh Nguyen here from Dallas, Texas.

    I think Kash Kwik is truly a Money Makin’ Cycling Machine. The best part of Kash Kwik Program is that everyone makes money! Period.

    Am I excited about KashKwik?? What a silly question.Of course I am! Joined a day & a half ago, & cycled a couple of hours ago! But knowing it’s potential, I bought 2 more positions just last night, but when those positions cycle, probably in the next day or so, I’ll earn another $25 per position, PLUS 100% matching bonus of $25 for each of those positions! Hey guys, stop dillydallying…GET IN!!!

    Kash Kwik is the fastest cycler program I have ever joined. I cycled approximately 14 hours after joining. I look forward to many more cycles and re-entries in this program. Thank you, discoverit

    If you have not joined this KASHKWIK, you have missed this money making opportunity.. No Sponsoring Required!! people who are lazy to recruit, they have made money too.

    So hurry .. get in line today!
    INGE

    Hello, Tim Sidden here…Nice program you have here…I have had the pleasure of cycling several times in your program and very happy with the results your program has had in my case…

    Have a great day and make sure to include me in your future programs…
    To Your Success,
    Tim Sidden
    CEO Megamarketingtools

    Its really wonderful program.. keep going.. thanks 🙂

    Hi Folks,

    Kash Kwik is simply Amazing§

    Even so involved in Fulltime Online Marketing since several years now, I didn’t figured out the Power & Impact of this System right away.

    But after signup & upgrading I took some more time to checkout all the Features & tools available here!

    I’m really stunned now & happy that I did not just skipped this great “Autopilot” Moneymaker!

    You did really a great job guys, Thank’s a lot!

    All The Best & Blessings,

    Harald Trebus/Teamforceone
    Here too, everybody makes real cash, Handsfree: >>

    I just want to congratulate the KashKwik team for putting this site together its going to be awesome especially for those who find getting referals hard this gives them a great chance to earn some money and not just pay out for someone else to benefit, well done from Justacoolcat in South Africa

    Hi,
    Kash Kwik is awesome…

    Thanks to Team efforts my first cycle in less than 2 days …this means the moneyflow is just starting….with more to come !

    Best wishes from Manfred, Europe

    WHO’S RUNNING THIS PROGRAM? ARE YOU CRAZY? THIS CAN CAUSE QUICK ATTRITION TO OTHER COMPANIES WHEW!…ADMIN PLEASE PREPARE YOUR SERVER TO A SOON COMING STAMPEDE….I CYCLED WITHOUT EVEN TELLING ANYONE ABOUT THIS HUH!

    MIKE LEDESMA

    So Amazing! The KashKwik Program is an amazing Value. Not only is the compensation revolutionary, but they offer quality products. Don’t miss this one 🙂

    Johnny Clever, Greenville, NC – USA
    New Destiny 800 Founding Member

    I’m not into Cycler programs because they just come and gone! But when I joined Kash Kwik, guess what? I GOT PAID Soooooo Kwiklyyyyy!

    They have the Unique program with the True Straight Line Forced Cycler that offer 90 Days Money-Back Guarantee as well!

    Russell Bravo

    This opportunity is awesome to say the least.
    I was soured on cyclers for a long time after being burned by a few but you have gotten the formula right.

    Kevin (The Country Boy) Cromwell

    Ontario Canada

    What can I say. No smoke and mirrors here. What you see is what you get. Get in Line, Get Paid. Bring people in and get paid even more.

    I have cycled fast and I love how I am automatically paid to my Alert Pay account. No more waiting days and days to get paid. Join us. The faster you do the fast your get paid!

    Adam Perrin Wiesbaden, Germany

    Well, I’ve always been a skeptic over the years when it comes to “cycling” sites, but Kash Kwik is SO much better than those in the past! It still took some effort for my sponsor to encourage me to join Kash Kwik, but I’m so glad I did! I have already been paid once and am VERY close to cycling again!! The possibilities are endless here, so get in line, and get paid!

    Cathy, Canada

    Getting Very Responsive Banner Clicks to my programs, not to mention 2 of my referrals already cycled earning me another $50.00 !! KashKwik is the best program since ever!!! – Wayne G. US of A

    Wow, this is awesome, I actually started cycling and earning before I referred anyone. How cool is that? Now that I’ve shared it with a few people, things have really taken off. I can’t wait to see my earnings grow every month without doing any work – what a concept. On top of that, I’m getting crazy conversions from my banner ads. Thanks guys! Kash Kwik is awesome!

    48 hours and I’ve already cycled. I love this program. Was sick of this sort of thing and didn’t want another money making scheme. Then I got an email I’d usually throw out, but read it instead. Signed up right away and couldn’t be happier.

    Sandie Nolk
    Toronto, Canada

    This is literally for everyone who wants to make money online – even for those who do not like to recruit! Great concept!

    Ryan Lee

    Hi,
    I joined on April 21st and cycled on April 24th !
    Couldn’t really believe it until I recieved a been paid message from AlertPay…
    I’m certainly looking forward to the future with Kash Kwik !!!

    Best of success to everyone,

    Chris… from bieutiful Switzerland

    WOW, a simple programme which generate a Return On Investment basically immediately.

    I joined on 21st April and on 23rd April a cycled even though I didn’t get anyone on board. But certainly I will promote it best and the Returns will be bigger. Mauricio – London

    It’s a great opportunity for those who don’t like recruiting but want to earn some money. I received my money in two days from starting.
    Really cool deal!

    Yuriy Pisarenko, Kiev, Ukraine

    …………. PLUS 2 mOre Pages

    Now lets move onto ALL TEAMED UP

    I cannot believe how easy it is to make money with All Teamed Up! I completely recouped the $35 upgrade fee, and made almost that again within less than 2 hours! Team building is definitely the way to go to make money!

    3-7-2009

    I GOT PAID

    rwknotts

    Iam very proud to be a member of ATU,the owners Wayne and
    Gregg and the most honest and reliable people I have met in
    my years of being online,and I would like to thank them by
    saying that I would be proud to be a part of any business
    that they have a part of.You guys are truly awesome!
    Thanks guys
    Shirley Guyomard
    Canada

    Hello
    I name myself BOLI Laurent and I come from to register with alup. I found the site very comfortable and flexible to draw some from returned.
    I invite you to make like me.
    Thank you
    BOLI Laurent
    Coast d’ Ivory

    Wow. I had no idea there was so much awesome marketing material here to take advantage of to promote this site and others too.
    I anticipate making some good money here.
    Good designed program, good material.

    I joined All Teamed up on Nov. 21st as a pro-member.

    Today’s date as I am writing this testimonial is Dec. 7th

    So as of that date ? I?ve been a member for 16 days.

    I saw what this program Is capable of doing ? it is a total team effort where like-minded people are working together to help everybody succeed.
    TOTAL TEAM EFFORT = FAST CASH. It is a one time $35.00 upgrade that puts you under a 2×10 company forced matrix that will make you
    thousands of dollars! I have so far personally sponsored 16 people under me.

    I?ve only been in the program 16 days and I have sponsored 16 people!

    Why so many and so fast? Because everybody can see what a great program this is. If you want ? you can even join free and make money!! Yes, that is True. So join free today and upgrade later for much much more money!!

    I know I will make money with All Teamed Up – You will too!

    Rafael Cruz
    Menifee Lakes, CA – USA

    If I could envision the perfect team build program, it would be exactly like All Teamed Up. Honestly, there is nothing missing from this program. Every member is given an equal opportunity to succeed and with that success comes a truly generous compensation plan that is second to none. Not joining All Teamed Up is literally a big mistake.

    Russell Westwood
    Lake Elsinore, CA USA

    Great to be part of ATu Team Build.

    Harvey Vickery

    If your new like I am there Is a Whole team here that has your back! You do not have to be alone any more! This is awesome!!

    Freddy

    ATU Bonus section is worth the PRO membership alone!

    Excellent free advertising resources and much more have made it worth every penny and then some. Thanks for a great program and potential earnings. LOVE the URL Tracker!

    Ellyn George
    teamgeorge1

    Now this is the way to do business in 2007!!

    This is NOT a network of people “telling me” how great there program is, instead, I have a network of people just wanting to make a Large income TOGETHER Online !!

    Plus ATU has a Simple Formula: Great Products (present and future), Fast Commissions and a-ton of people with one thing in mind – “LETS ALL MAKE MONEY” , as ATU take’s everyone (newbies and older members) in ATU on a long financially sound journey like never seen before online! This is gonna be a great long ride 🙂

    W.G.Merritt
    San Diego, CA

    Like many of you, I am a member of other TeamBuilds. Therefore, we know that all TeamBuilds are not created equally. I judge the effectiveness of any online business by the honesty and responsiveness of the business
    owners. Here at ATU, I have seen the owners implement suggestions from the membership within 24 hours. This kind of responsiveness lends credence to the honesty and integrity of the owners. Whereas, I have not been able to convince my free members and contacts to come aboard yet(don’t worry, they will), I still have a small commission in my account. That is more proof that ATU is a real TeamBuild!-Everybody helping the TEAM to achieve financial comfort for a small one-time fee. I feel very comfortable at All Teamed Up. Thank you Gregg and Wayne.

    Jose Love
    Sunny Southern California, USA
    Proud ATU Pro Member

    This program rocks and I haven’t even upgraded yet!!! Within seconds of placing ads and blogging I sold two copies of YAM! Simply awesome and hope it continues. I will be upgrading shortly for sure. I’ve already made $10 and haven’t spent a dime! Now that’s awesome!!!

    All the best,
    Steve
    http://www.garrettmarketing.ws

    It is very refreshing to be part of a program that is full of honesty and integrity. Finally a program where we work as a team and succeed as a team!
    I am very excited to see my matrix filling daily and with very little effort.
    I urge you to join or upgrade, there are more great things to come with ATU. Admin is committed to helping all of us be successful with this often frustrating business of online marketing.
    If you are a newbie, I guarantee that you will be hooked.
    Thanks for all your hardwork and committment.
    Karen Riel
    Ontario, Canada

    Internet marketing is at it’s best with ATU! I love the team work! In my book this is what Internet Marketing is all about. Good program, good product, awesome Admin. J.Cox, Illinois

    Awesome Program making money every day this is so cool

    Things are looking good with ATU! Just minutes after I upgraded my account, I already had an earning balance. It was a weird feeling, it was kind of shocking and refreshing at the same time LOL. Nice to see a program that is keeping their word. WTG ATU! 🙂

    Carrie Mallach – Alberta, Canada

    Hello all
    I was a program hopper for years,I was involved with good programs and bad but I can say that I have to give my hats off to Wayne and Gregg,they are second to none and Iam better for just knowing these guys,they mean what they say and follow through,you guys are truly awesome!Follow these guys you cannot go wrong,trust me,I know

    Shirley Guyomard
    shirkay

    A TOTALLY Awesome Winner without a Doubt this is gonna be a HISTORY maker on the Internet!!!

    I have done many and the concept and Program these guys have put together is a WINNER for anyone who has lost confidence in doing anything online!

    Keep up the good work Gregg,and the All Teamed Up Admin you guys are a Super bunch and a breath of FRESH AIR after all the Rip-Offs out there!

    Proudly a Member of ALL Teamed Up!

    Sincerely and Cordially Yours,

    Robert Hamborg
    Pinkham Communications

    I have been in internet marketing for over 8 years and ATU is the first program that had delivered what they say they will.

    WOW!!!!! All Teamed Up is on fire.

    Our big hitters are working like crazy today and will be for the next few weeks. My 6th level started filling this afternoon and right now I have 52 in my matrix. That is awesome.
    Way to go guys!!!!

    Karen Riel

    Kennidy,
    Hi all; I didn`t hesitate when I became the invitation, a rather interresting concept designed for a long term relationship ( life time ); and yes, so I paid ! it wasnt much for a single membership; I see there are now many more that have developed their multi accounts, as I have too;
    I sent all my mates a email saying that I was into something new, that did something and was realy heading somewhere ! thats all; one by one they came, and asked why and where, so I didn`t fib, and now we are 12 !!. Cheers.
    Jack Kennidy.

    WOW, I can’t believe how easy it is to earn money with All Teamed Up! You guys have really put together an amazing program…And ont that is easy for anyone to do!

    Thank you so much ATU!

    I have been with All-Teamed-Up from the start.
    I totally love the team concept and that everyone works together No one has to struggle on their own and no one gets left behind.
    How many times have people failed online and lost money because they have not had the support of a team , With ATU this has been eliminated and everyone builds together and makes money together It does not get any better then that.
    Even as a free member you can earn money with ATU , but go that extra step and upgrade and you will be so glad you did.
    The owner of ATU has future builds planned that will see all members incomes explode on top of what they will already have earned.
    I have worked online for 5 years been in several companies and struggled on my own and lost money this is the first programme that is totally dedicated to each and every member and not just those just at the top.
    I have seen my income increase and are now well in profit and this is just the start I have even paid for a few members to upgrade that is how confidential I am about ATU.
    So if you are looking at join ATU don`t hesitate , jump on board and work with a team that cares about you and always puts your first.
    Sammy Sugden
    Devon ,UK

    I have been marketing online for almost a year now. Finally, I realized that I could not do it alone ! I needed to be with a TEAM. A team that would help me: Learn & Earn.

    That is what I found at All Teamed Up. The forum offers a Boatload of Team Supporters just waiting to help you.

    The Team just needs us to Come and THE TEAM will be there to guide us. They have the experience that I need to succeed.

    I can tell you from personal experience that I have had huge support from the ATU Team!

    When you have a Team to Back you up. YOU Will Succeed. Alone you may likely fail.

    I choose to Succeed. And I will…With the help of A Powerful Team! I love to see a message that states: You Have A New Referral ……

    Not just because I want to make money. No! I want to help other people. I will not succeed online if I do not help others. I Believe that Fully.

    TEAM SUPPORT = Early Retirement, Financial Freedom, No Boss, No Alarm Clock, You Choose what YOUR GOALS are !

    Let the ATU Team Know…They will help you and support you…All the Way!

    A Very Proud Member of All Teamed Up !
    All We Need On Board is …YOU…..

    Charles M
    Circleville, Ohio, USA

    ATU is all abaout Team work, this is why i joined up, being part of a money making team is worth your while. Find out for yourself! Thank you ATU. Thomas Richmond, San Diego, California.

    Do I Believe??? Yes!!! I believe in the potential of the All Teamed Up program so much that I have gladly paid for two of my downline members to upgrade to the PRO level. All of us, as a TEAM, will work for everyone’s mutual benefit and having a PRO position can only increase our level of success.

    George
    Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA

    All Teamed up is a dynamic site that has helped me explode my business, exponentially. This is network marketing,meeting social networking to create an explosive productive environment for success. If you are a network marketer its in your best interest to get involved with ATU. If you havent signed up already sign up today.POOR means Passing Over Opportunities Regularly/Repeatedly. Do not be one of those poor people.Get in while the getting is good.

    Graham Odenyo
    Atlanta,GA
    http://sta.rtup.biz/profile/GrahamOdenyo

    Awesome. Money paid into my e-gold account and confirmed. Just over 3 times my investment, and all in a little over a week and with no sponsoring by me. How cool is that. Cheers guys…. Bryce- New Zealand

    I am a ATU Pro member. Only 2 weeks old. I am a Net marketeer for more than 5 years. I have tried various methods. Even blew my $ on mostly useless marketing efforts. I have tried many approaches to promote.So I was very suspicious on joining another. Now, after just a couple weeks in ATU,I must say I really am delighted with what the ATU system offers. I honestly think this is the best system I have ever seen and it is very affordable also. Your answer on members forum and support tickets are fast and reliable. I recommend this system to all my friends. I just hope everyone would check out ATU.This is the program for both Beginners and Experts.

    Dennis Clairmont

    ((((((((( Thats half of the All Teamed Up Testimonials))))))))))))))))

    now lets check another company we run

    TOTAL TEAM PROFIT

    What can I say but WOW!This is the first time I’ve actually made a reasonable amount in a matrix program this fast.
    Anyone sitting on the fence about joining Total Team Profit better jump off and get signed up now.
    Fred

    Total Team Profit is awesome!
    I have seen similar programs fail, but TTP
    will soar because it is well run & managed!
    John Lederer
    Lincoln, NE-USA

    I have cycled in the 2×2 Matrix and I am delighted. I have been trying to make money on the internet for over a year and this is the first program I have made a decent amount of money and am in profit – this happened very fast. If you have joined this program and have not joined ATU, then you should join ATU now in order to get an early start on the next Teambuild.
    Vic Christie, Pretoria – South Africa
    Vic on the ATU Forum

    I Just joined Total Team Profit & straightway went PRO, because I think if you join a business it is compulsory to become a pro member to earn FREE members just waste their time & more over they do not take interest in the business they might have joined.

    I have already 8 downlines with me. I strongly recomment Total Team Profit PRO Membership

    Manohar
    http://www.rashmi.biz

    Wow Greg,what can I say,this has exceeded my expectations!
    I had cycled my 1st time within 7 hours and I don’t think you had even finished getting all pre-paid members upgraded in the Total Team Profit program by then!
    I love the concept of the “TEAM”

    Many thanks
    Ellen – Australia

    YES, YES, YES, You Will make Money with this!!
    YES, YES, YES, You Will make Money with this!!
    YES, YES, YES, You Will make Money with this!!
    Rafael From Menifee Lakes Made Money
    and will continue to make money. This is just the
    beginning and I will make money over and over again
    YES, YES, YES, You Will make Money with this!!
    YES, YES, YES, You Will make Money with this!!
    YES, YES, YES, You Will make Money with this!!
    TotalTeamProfit.com

    That sounds like a good song to me. What do you think?

    Thank you! I have never made this much money so quickly in ANY program I have ever been involved with. This is incredible! Such a blessing!

    Thank you ATU admin,
    I earned 1 st matrix completed amount in a very very short time, I hope this is going to be a huge hit on MLM Industry. Long live ATU and ATU admin.I love you so much.
    Shaik, Nellore-INDIA

    Greetings,Thomas Richmond here, as a pro member at ATU and now having the great opportunity to be one of the first to be in Total Team Profit TTP i am so excited and with these awesome matrix concepts what a refreshing new marketing idea for the world to see. Looking forword to stick around for a long time to come! WTG TTP!!

    This is simply fantastic. I have been in many programs but this has far exceeded my expectations and it is only the first day. The best is yet to come! This is what TEAM is all about! (Philip, IL – USA

    This looks like a great service!

    Tom Mangone
    Invisus Direct
    http://www.ManagedComputerSecurity.com
    Windham, NH
    603-437-6138

    This is one factor that’s completely missed out. Total Team Profit is a remarkable statement to a new genertion of online maketers. I have made money with this and continue to make money, what a program of awesome company. Thank you Gregg and Wayne for making this possible for not just me but 1000s of members here. Best Regards Thomas Richmond. Admin SuperSeoSubmitter.com

    Hi from Christine in WV. I just want to say that Total Team Profit
    is such an awesome program. I already cycled, Gregg and Wayne thank you
    for all your hard work and persistence…you will make a difference in many people’s lives..you have in mine. With lots of appreciation,
    Many blessings to you and your families

    hello my name is james mc donnell. i came from ireland. i live in the uk. i hope i can make some money from this.i try before and lost money hope this is the one for me all teamed-up is the one.

    Hi I am name Marion and am from Bermuda
    I could not believe it when I saw money in my account

    I cannot believe it,I have already cycled twice. This is the fastest I have ever earned money on the internet. What a truly great program, team work at its finest!
    Thank you Gregg and Wayne and everyone on the team

    Carol – Ottawa,Canada

    Hello to all,
    I am so excited about Total Team Profit if you have not joined yet what are you waiting for. I have already been paid. This truly is a team effort and you will prosper, so don’t get left behind.
    Stephanie
    Colorado Springs, CO

    Hi,

    My name is James L Weeks,Jr and I resides in Raleigh, NC.
    I am excited about this opportunity, at first I was skeptical
    and the light bulb came on. I have not look back since.

    Take it from me do no waste any more time like I did hurry and
    make a good Decision. See Ya at the Top…………

    WOW WOW WOW..is all i can say!!
    only 1 night old and already earning money WOOPIE 😀
    Lets keep this rolling!!
    Debs-Spain

    I want you to know I am totally cyked. WOW!!!!
    I can’t believe how fast this happened. I have never made money in a program before like this or any other program for that matter. All I can say again is WOW!!!
    The Team Concept really works. WOW again!!!!
    Pama Lyons
    Huntsville, AL – USA

    I want to say thank you Gregg and Wayne.I’m an excited member of atu,and totalteam,I have been since I first joined.Thanks for giving me the chance to be here.You all will, have to throw me out, to get rid of me.God bless you both sincerely ,one happy, proud member from West VIRGINIA,Diane Allender

    Iam so excited about this program,it is awesome and the team is superior.
    WTG guys on creating this excellent program!!

    Shirley
    Nova Scotia
    Canada

    Wow, I was referred to this program by associates in my current business and although I have only referred one pro member I can see how BIG this is going to be. This opportunity has also prompted me to sign up with ATU, which gives it double the excitement!!
    I am a strong believer in Team Work and the concept of both programs emphasize what I am all about….my main passion in life is helping other people become Leaders for whatever business they want to pursue, and this is the perfect opportunity for me to do that.
    Here’s to our Success!!!
    Tina (New Zealand)

    Thanks Total Team Profit, received my first pay out on the 15th and there will more to come.

    Have a GREAT Day!!!!

    sanron

    Wow. This is awesome. Tripled my investment in the first day so far…..and I haven’t done a thing other than check my balance… Keep it up team.
    Bryce from New Zealand.

    I have know Gregg Wallmuller for about 4 years now. He helped my husband out when he 1st got into this “makin money on the internet thingy”. I was quite the skeptic then, to say the least, but the partnership that Gregg and my husband, Jim, have had over the years has proven to be quite profitable. So I decided to join in on the fun and now I am smiling all the way to the BANK!! Thanks Gregg for your committment to the Total Team way of thinking! MaryEllen Smithers, Daytona Beach, FL.

    Hello Valued Friends!

    My name is Eivind,father of three,a ordinary norwegian working man. I am not a “guru” or one of those who earn “millions” a day from the net. I`ve been in to several MLM-and Internet Money Making “Things” before..earned a little…lost a LOT!

    I joined ATU,one of the first,saw at once this is something new,different and lucrative I`ve never seen before. It`s not a game,there are no risks-it is simply a INVESTMENT for life! A New and Unique way to earn legal money! A honest and an Unparalleled Money Making Opportunity!It`s world wide too! Opportunities like this don’t come by often,do believe me. I`m so sure this will be a SUCCESS we`ve never seen before…that I urged my livingtogether + my three adult children to join too. They did,upgraded to pro`s and we are now members of Total Team Profit.com. ALL of us see cash coming into our accounts! The future looks bright,really! Get on board,get in and get Amazed,this can simply be your GOLDEN TICKET!

    Kindly…and Profits to come!
    Mr.Eivind Horremsbakk
    Norway.

    To the staff of All Teamed Up and the Total Team Profit programs and all Members present and future. It is with great pleasure to be able to offer my sincere thanks for extremly well built programs, that offers so much for so little. I have been in many programs that promised so much, but, gave so little. I’m delighted, to say the staff and the programs offered here are far beyond reproach. A well needed breath of fresh air to the internetting world. I encourage all, to become a member of this wonderful Team.

    Sincerely,
    Dee Melly

    The fastest cash maker in the world, your crazy if you don’t give this business a shot and come onboard, every one in my inbox is joing after I told them how well I was doing.
    Just the best business online.
    Debra B
    Vic. Australia

    WOW!!!!

    This Program is awesome!! I have finally found an admin with team spirit and committed to helping all team members make money. For the past 6 years I have joined program after program and lost it all, but since joining all All-Team-Up (ATU) and Total Team Profit (TTP) I have made over 10 times the cost of my membership and still continue to earn. Just few hours after TTP started to load I circled and earned $100 plus other benefits. WOW!! I cannot contain my excitement.

    Total Team Profit will “ROCK” the internet world and All-Team-Up will “REVOLUTIONIZE” matrix system. I cannot wait for it go public. As soon as it does, All my family and friends will have early BIRTHDAYS, MOTHERS-DAY, FATHERS-DAY, AND ANNIVERSARY GIFTS. WOW!! My shopping days are OVER. Thank ATU ADMIN and God Bless.

    Gladys Nwabuzor (gladlife)

    This Total Team Profit program really work! I make money the first day of this program. This team concept/program work!

    Stanley
    Raeford, NC USA

    Hi to all from Wiggie in Vermont…..

    All I can say is “WOW”…Thank you, Thank you!!
    You “WILL” make money here, trust me!

    Wiggie is doing the happy dance… (_/_) (_\_) (_/_) (_\_)

    A big thank you to the owners for all their dedication, hard work, & the desire to make this team build work for all of their members, awesome job!

    Also a big thanks to my sponsor.
    And to all the members, we are champs!!!

    Big Hugs to all….

    Have a great day….I know I am!
    Wiggie 🙂

    This program is sooooo awesome… I have cycled and making money.Thank you Thank you Thank you… With Total Team Profit program you can’t lose, because everyone is making money with Team work.You are not left alone to do the work by yourself.

    Thank you again
    Robin McIntosh
    North Carolina

    I can’t believe I have cycled already I am soo excited thank U very Much!! Finally makin some moola or money once again online. Thax, from Kevin Aldridge here in Orem,UT

    My 2nd spot in the totalteamprofit cycled all because i said yes,
    I’ll upgrade. All i did was get two positions in All Team Up and upgraded both in TTP And listened to the calls did what it said and I was rewarded and you can be to!Jump Aboard today the admin full of integrity and responsive.Very Great team here Dont miss this .
    jeff d. CALIFORNIA

    I believe I’ve finally found a program that delivers. There are thousands of programs on the internet but very few get you any results. Total Team Profit is one of those very few, and working together where everyone helps each other is a great concept.

    Randy
    Omaha, Nebraska

    I’ve already cycled in the 2×2 Matrix also!
    The coolest part is the Team building concept.
    Long Live TTP!
    Judy (blondie) – Colorado – USA

    Wow!! That was fast! I entered last night and have already cycled for the first time in the 2X2 matrix — and I haven’t even had a chance to invite anyone! Thanks, TTP!

    Janet
    Bloomington IN

    I have joined a lot of programs with little or no results. After joining TTP and paying the $40 I have made 20 times my money back already!!! I highly recommend this program to anyone! Excellent program!!!

    Dennis Heikkinen
    Newport, KY – USA

    Hello Gregg and Wayne,

    I am glad I found your program. You have been honest and hardworking admin. Because I trusted your vision, I upgraded immediately after receiving your announcement. I have now entered in my third matrix!

    Thanks.

    Nick
    http://www.sasakiii.com/ttp/

    This looks very exciting cant wait to see were it goes Im in for the long haul
    Everyone should join and helpit grow to its full potential
    Im from Queensland Australia My name is Shaun
    and I am looking forward to making lots of money”””” Here

    Wow! This thing has not even hardly started yet and I have 2 under me already. Thanks, Joel Escondido, CA – USA

    Hi,
    I have been working as a Internet marketer for 5 years online, I have seen all sorts of Get Rich Programs come and go, I was so excited to see my first payment after only 3 weeks and I look forward to many more.
    Nothing beats working as a Team and making money together, this is the best business ever, if you can send an e-mail you can do this.
    Total Team Profit is a winner!

    Chris J
    Australia

    Gregg and Wayne,

    I am blown away. I am amazed as I am watching my matrices fill. Some others have contacted me because they are too!

    You promised that the members would be happy. Well, I am not happy, I am ecstatic. You promised a team build, and we have a REAL team build.

    The words “forced matrix” have become a joke,at least to some including myself. However, this is not the case with ATU – and Total Team Profit is a runaway success! YOUR programs are working the way you said they would.

    I thank you for that, and I thank you for doing something to give back some faith in humanity to those who have become jaded by too many promises, but too little delivery, by program owners on the Internet.

    Everyone should get into TTP and ATU and finally experience success.

    Theres 4 other websites, with testimonial after Tesimonial –

    So if you continue with this thread, we will have to investigate further about the slander we’ve found in here about US.

    Thank you
    Wayne

    It is like dumping money down the toilet

    • The statement you label as a lie is not one I made. Rather than attack me for it how about a level-headed professional response?

      Actually in my quick review which I just read again, I didn’t say anything terrible worth attacking me for. I expressed some concern and opinion but the primary issues I think you object to are the statements made by others. Maybe it would be best to address the commenters with concerns and help show the public you offer exceptional customer service.

      Steve

      • You QUICK REVIEW agreed without hearing both sides of the story – Its not level headed on your end, but I must say, its typical for the internet

  • Yeah, I already canceled my account. Sounds like a pyramid. Plus, I’m tired of giving my money away to crooks.

  • I asked for a refund and they got nasty and told me I was not getting it cause I was pat my 7 days. What a scam artist this Gregg wallmuller jerk is definitely a crook! I am disputing him at alertpay. I suggest anyone else who does not get thewir refund or has trouble with this site do the same. He sure sent me nasty emails. he is off his rocker too besides being a crook!
    .-= sciantel´s last blog .. =-.

    • Fist he says 90 days for a refund. I dispute in 30 days. I didn’t cycle so I was not going to wait 90 days of be out of time for alertpay. So then he says I should of asked 7 days for refund, after I first joined. So he can’t make up his mind when to give refund. Point is, he doesn’t really want to give a refund at all, and has made a loop to cover his butt so he won’t have to! Truth, I only joined cause it said, a refund in 90 days! The system only works if you can cycle once a month and when I didn’t and a whole lot others I know won’t either, a lot of people are going to demand refunds but he knew that.

  • I have been in month also with no cycle, I think the testimonials are made up too because some people claim to have cycled twice in a month. It is also going to take longer to cycle due to more people joining. And it is illegal money go round as there is no product. so stay away from this one

  • This site is definitely a scam. I guess in order to really know about sites like this is by experience, and I sure have had my fill. They first sucker you into thinking if you join and pay, and within the 90 days you can get a refund if you do not cycle, they then neglect to tell you you have to keep paying them for 3 months first whether you cycle or not, within 90 days, but what they really don’t bother to tell you is you have to keep paying them the $17 a month for 3 months, and if you don’t ever cycle during the 3 months, you have blown $17 plus another $17 and another $17! That is a lot of money for a poor person but they get richer and richer. They are nothing but a bunch of crooks! They say they will repay you but they are just scamming you. Don’t trust such sites that claim to give money back. I sure am not going to waste another $17, two times more just to see if they’d finally refund me! If they won’t refund my first month when I haven’t cycled, what makes you think they would 3 months. By that time people will begin to see they are a scam, but it will be too late for them. I am going to plaster them in the forums and if you have been scammed by them I suggest you do the same. Hopefully no other people will give them their money. This is not a safe site for investors wanting fast cash. It should be called, kash gone!

      • Cycling is a term that means when “x” amount come in to a program, you make money. It can run where its a long line (like Kash Kwik) or only those who you bring to the company and down a line as far as the program is set up for. Its MLM basically.

        Kash Kwik has a straight LINE that builds in one line, and when someone cycles or renews or comes in, that pushes up the line. The thing with KK is that renewals cause cycling, and cyclers go back to the bottom of line, and each month a new position is added (you in 3 months, you have 3 positions)

        If you bring anyone in, when they are pushed through the system (cycle) – you get paid 100% match, or exactly what they make which in KK is $25 USD.

        The product in Kash Kwik is Advertising banners in over 7 company websites, and there are Bonus Material you can download as well.

        Hope that helps

        • I have been sending and receiving e mails from kashkwik trying to put my point accross, admin says if he was scammer he would not offer a refund, the testimonials are genuine, do not believe what you read on forums etc etc. Below is a copy of the last mail I sent and am still awaiting a reply.

          Hi

          You only put what you want people to see on your site, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest you have paid people (only your word and no one knows you).

          There are only good testimonials from people who say they have cycled more than once a month. An honest admin would allow negative testimonials also, obviuosly edited for bad language. It is impossible to cycle in a month and for people who do not want to promote it is a loser. So please tell me who these people are that say they have cycled twice in one month.,

          You say you will refund in 90 days if no money is made, well in 90 days you may well refund if no money is made and this refund is in place by you knowing full well that a cycle will take place and so voiding the refund, but what about people who cycle maybe only once or twice in 90 days (which is a probality due to the high numbers joining), so the person pays $51 in 90 days, he/she would have to cycle 3 times to make a profit, ie one cycle a month which is now impossible. So your refund is zero because a person cycled once in 90 days has paid $51 and receiving $25 which is a loss. NO REFUND, THIS IS YOUR GET OUT OF PAYING PLAN BECAUSE MONEY HAS BEEN MADE EVEN IF IT IS ONLY $25

          As for the freebies, they are no value to me whatsover, as for the banners, well they just dont work now as well as they used to. I am experienced in web design and seo and banners come bottom of the promotional list.

          Just do the math, look to the future assuming you last that long. Assume that people continue to sign up in droves and your membership level gets to 20.000 plus, or even just 10.000. How long do you think it will take to cycle, much more than 90 days, so are you going to honour your refund policy?? You said before that the more people that sign up, the quicker you will cycle, you are very wrong, it will take much longer.

          Nope I am afraid Kashkwik is a non runner for a long time investment opportunity

  • Definitely a scam. They sit back making millions while we sit and wait and wait and wait. I never cycled when they claimed I would and I sure do not plan to cough up anotehr $17 for next month!

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