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So That’s How Legal Helpers Debt Resolution Finds Attorneys – Craigslist

A tipster (send in your tips here) sent in this listing from Craigslist. Personally, wouldn’t you think that the best attorneys would be found by contacting them directly rather than through Craigslist?

Here is the ad:

National consumer law firm seeks to affiliate with local attorney. (Helena)

Date: 2010-10-13, 11:43AM MDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]

Prominent national consumer law firm seeking to immediately affiliate with local attorney or law firm. Attorney or firm should have an active consumer practice. Bankruptcy experience a plus. A successful candidate should also be detail-oriented, have excellent communication skills, and a true desire to help people who are in financial distress. The firm specializes in debt negotiation as well as Chapter 7 and 13 bankruptcy filings. Compensation package includes profit sharing opportunities for qualified candidate. Please send inquires to [email protected] and reference: “(Your City) Attorney Position – Your Name” in the subject. Admission to the State Bar is required. EOE ”


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Steve Rhode

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32 Comments

  • Why do people point fingers at past mistakes. The best advisors are people who went though a situation themselves- as long as they practice what they preach and don’t repeat them.

  • Steve, I don’t think the comments from “Confused Provider” are appropriate and they should be removed.

    Michael Reilly, CDS
    Emerge America

  • brian, i did the math… read here https://getoutofdebt.org/23716/… U and other LHDR commentor likes to jump on this site and defend yourself but never answer any questions when asked. Every debt settlement program has a full disclosure and most has a verification process to go over the detailed disclosures I am sure that is what you are trying to point out. Legal representation? debt settlement were meant to help consumer resolve a past due balance before it gets too far into litigation but in your case its ok and normal since you’ve stated LHDR will represent a client if they get sued which happens a lot… according to your statement and I wonder why, I know because you guys charge $700 enrollment fee for a somekind of financial coaching package plus $50 a month subscription plus collecting your fees half duration of the settlement term while there is companies now that operate solely on performance model that you are against so help us all understand your math, performance model vs frontloaded model?

  • And here we go. Did LHDR just start actually providing legal representation in their fee? I would like to see a copy of their current contract, Mr Macy didn’t ever send it to me as he indicated he would. You do know that they didn’t provide legal representation in their fee before right?

    Also you didn’t respond to my question. I asked if there was something wrong with sales people selling programs that were not in a client’s best financial interest. Like a typical settlement sales person you assumed that I was speaking about fee models. That of course makes my point. You didn’t even allow the thought to enter your mind that I was talking about looking at all client options not just debt settlement. We can argue fees all day long, but I talk to consumers on a weekly basis that were enrolled into LHDR and are now coming to me for help because all they did was pay fees and get sued rather quickly.

    Of course when the lawsuit came, they didn’t have an attorney from LHDR running to court for them and just got the run around about how they didn’t have enough money to deal with the lawsuit because LHDR took all the funds for fees.

    So you can tell yourself whatever you need to and it might make you feel better, but the bottom line is like most debt settlement programs, LHDR takes on clients that should not be in a settlement program and that is a huge disservice to consumers, performance based fee model or not.

    PS. I do appreciate your honesty in disclosing that LHDR clients get sued alot. I would add though, that if they screened their clients better and focused on quickly settling the debt, their clients wouldn’t get sued alot. I do appreciate your honesty though, it pretty much illustrates the point I was trying to make.

  • ok lets talk performance base vs flat…..do the math even a performance based incorporates their future earned fee into the payment. So how does that help the consumer pay off the balance with creditor number 2,3,4 and so on any faster? I think the main thing you are missing overall is performance base or not…how well is the client being disclosed? With LHDR when the client gets sued…which happens a lot…they have legal protection. can you get that with a performance base model?

  • ok lets talk performance base vs flat…..do the math even a performance based incorporates their future earned fee into the payment. So how does that help the consumer pay off the balance with creditor number 2,3,4 and so on any faster? I think the main thing you are missing overall is performance base or not…how well is the client being disclosed? With LHDR when the client gets sued…which happens a lot…they have legal protection. can you get that with a performance base model?

    • And here we go. Did LHDR just start actually providing legal representation in their fee? I would like to see a copy of their current contract, Mr Macy didn’t ever send it to me as he indicated he would. You do know that they didn’t provide legal representation in their fee before right?Also you didn’t respond to my question. I asked if there was something wrong with sales people selling programs that were not in a client’s best financial interest. Like a typical settlement sales person you assumed that I was speaking about fee models. That of course makes my point. You didn’t even allow the thought to enter your mind that I was talking about looking at all client options not just debt settlement. We can argue fees all day long, but I talk to consumers on a weekly basis that were enrolled into LHDR and are now coming to me for help because all they did was pay fees and get sued rather quickly. Of course when the lawsuit came, they didn’t have an attorney from LHDR running to court for them and just got the run around about how they didn’t have enough money to deal with the lawsuit because LHDR took all the funds for fees.So you can tell yourself whatever you need to and it might make you feel better, but the bottom line is like most debt settlement programs, LHDR takes on clients that should not be in a settlement program and that is a huge disservice to consumers, performance based fee model or not.

      PS. I do appreciate your honesty in disclosing that LHDR clients get sued alot. I would add though, that if they screened their clients better and focused on quickly settling the debt, their clients wouldn’t get sued alot. I do appreciate your honesty though, it pretty much illustrates the point I was trying to make.

    • brian, i did the math… read here https://getoutofdebt.org/23716/legal-helpers-debt-resolution-mailer U and other LHDR commentor likes to jump on this site and defend yourself but never answer any questions when asked. Every debt settlement program has a full disclosure and most has a verification process to go over the detailed disclosures I am sure that is what you are trying to point out. Legal representation? debt settlement were meant to help consumer resolve a past due balance before it gets too far into litigation but in your case its ok and normal since you’ve stated LHDR will represent a client if they get sued which happens a lot… according to your statement and I wonder why, I know because you guys charge $700 enrollment fee for a somekind of financial coaching package plus $50 a month subscription plus collecting your fees half duration of the settlement term while there is companies now that operate solely on performance model that you are against so help us all understand your math, performance model vs frontloaded model?

  • OH, how I love the haters. That is the best you could come up with? Maybe instead of attacking me personally you can find something that I have said that was wrong and we could have a discussion about why you think I was wrong.

    Do you not think sales people enrolling consumers in programs that don’t make the most financial sense for them is a bad thing? Lets start with that.

  • I am not sure if the powers that be, over at Legal Helpers actually understand the problem they have. What they don’t seem to understand is the problem comes from all of the sales affiliates signing up anyone with a payment and a pulse. Looking for a loophole and then continuing to allow sales people to pitch a program to everyone who calls in for help, is not going to solve the underlying problem.

    Either they understand this and seemingly care more about money over clients, or they don’t understand the problem. I am not sure which option is worse.

    If Legal Helpers cannot address this simple and fundamental flaw in their business model, I think they should be required to formerly change their name to the Law Firm of “Dowe, Cheatem, & How”. The name “Legal Helpers” could be construed as misleading and deceptive advertising given what they appear to be doing.

    Just my two cents based on their past and seemingly present business practices.

    My question to them would be… What is so hard about properly screening clients, making sure you are only taking cases that are likely to be successful and then performing a good service to earn your fee? If you can do that, than you can make just as much money if not more by charging a fee on performance, and having a compliant business model. Why work so hard to get around the law, when you should be able to comply?

    https://getoutofdebt.org/Damon-

  • I am not sure if the powers that be, over at Legal Helpers actually understand the problem they have. What they don’t seem to understand is the problem comes from all of the sales affiliates signing up anyone with a payment and a pulse. Looking for a loophole and then continuing to allow sales people to pitch a program to everyone who calls in for help, is not going to solve the underlying problem.

    Either they understand this and seemingly care more about money over clients, or they don’t understand the problem. I am not sure which option is worse.

    If Legal Helpers cannot address this simple and fundamental flaw in their business model, I think they should be required to formerly change their name to the Law Firm of “Dowe, Cheatem, & How”. The name “Legal Helpers” could be construed as misleading and deceptive advertising given what they appear to be doing.

    Just my two cents based on their past and seemingly present business practices.

    My question to them would be… What is so hard about properly screening clients, making sure you are only taking cases that are likely to be successful and then performing a good service to earn your fee? If you can do that, than you can make just as much money if not more by charging a fee on performance, and having a compliant business model. Why work so hard to get around the law, when you should be able to comply?

    https://getoutofdebt.org/Damon-Day

    • OH, how I love the haters. That is the best you could come up with? Maybe instead of attacking me personally you can find something that I have said that was wrong and we could have a discussion about why you think I was wrong.

      Do you not think sales people enrolling consumers in programs that don’t make the most financial sense for them is a bad thing? Lets start with that.

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