Mass Litigation Alliance Marketing for Mass Joinder Cases Seems Confusing and Deceptive. – Amy

“Dear Steve,

I am attempting to clarify an association between Mass Litigation Alliance and attorney Mitchell J. Stein. This plot seems to be getting thicker and thicker.

I spoke to a Mass Litigation Alliance representative on 3/16/11. He identified himself as Scott Weiner, whom I have verified is an attorney licensed in IL, residing in FL. This individual claimed to be from Chicago (which I identified based on his accent) and he stated the he lived in Ft. Lauderdale. Perhaps he was or was not the real Scott Weiner. He attempted to recruit me and sent a form to enroll me into their mass joinder lawsuit. He asked for my social security number and loan number over the phone, which I would not provide, then chided me for not doing so. He also gave me a link to his own web site: www.thedebtdog.com. He said he owned a debt relief service, and offered these services to me.

During our phone conversation he spontaneously warned about attorney Mitchell Stein. He indicated that I should avoid retaining Mr. Stein’s services since he likely has a substance abuse problem, and because cases under his direction would be delayed due to neglect.

The part of my story that becomes confusing is the fact that the paperwork he provided me with (attached) states that Mass Litigation Alliance is “delighted to announce our association and affiliation with MJ&S Associates, a highly respected and feared litigation law firm…headed by attorney M. J. Stein…” This directly contradicts his slanderous statements, and according to M. J. Stein’s website, is blatantly false.

Mr. Stein claims no association with Mass Litigation Alliance, Philip Kramer or Matt Davis according to the warning on his web site. The California Bar website states that Mitchell J. Stein has his own law firm. There is no Mention of Mass Litigation Alliance.

At this point I have no idea who is telling the truth, but I certainly would avoid all parties mentioned. There is a warning posted on the CA Department of Real Estate web site regarding these mass joinder lawsuits, but I am afraid most consumers are not aware of it.

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Sincerely,
Amy”

Dear Amy,

Frankly I’m just as confused as you are. Recently Mass Litigation Alliance sent me material that shows Stein as part of them but Stein denies it. See this article.

The marketing of mass joinder cases is a total mess. Marketing representatives are saying just about anything they want to and even in my secret shopper call I was alarmed by the statements made.

The best advice I can offer right now, is that it’s impossible to know who to trust and you’d be better off avoiding any mass joinder suit for now and give regulators some time to act to clean up this situation.

The Debt Dog blog site but the site does mention a Scott Weiner and have an ad on it for Mass Litigation Alliance.

In fact one page on the site seems to make the same connections you did.

I am the CEO of Coast To Coast Debt Resolution and every single day for 10-12 hours a day I take calls and answer questions from people who ask for help with their debt. I’ve been at this for years now so it occurred to me that it would be an excellent idea to have a place for people to go and get real answers to common questions. I have personally gone through and completed a debt settlement process so I have the first hand experience of how it feels to go from having enough money to suddenly not being able to pay my credit cards. However with the proper help I was able to eliminate over $100,000 in debt and become debt free in less than two years. I am an Illinois Licensed Attorney, a Florida Supreme Court Certified Mediator, and an American Arbitration Commercial Arbitrator. – Source

Please post your responses and follow-up messages to me on this in the comments section below.

Sincerly,
Steve

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20 thoughts on “Mass Litigation Alliance Marketing for Mass Joinder Cases Seems Confusing and Deceptive. – Amy”

  1. Ken, few questions:1. In regard to the individuals you referred to Kramer & Kaslow for Stein’s B of A case, did you or any of clients ever receive a signed retainer back? (Note: I already know the answer to this because I saw the comments left on Stein’s Facebook page by your brother and engaged Stein in the comment thread. My comments as well as others were eventually deleted by Stein, but I kept the copy. I also saw the comment that your brother left on Piggy Bank Blog and an email from Matt Davis re: Stein not getting around to signing retainers).2. How can you, as an attorney in Illinois, refer Florida clients to a California attorney? 3. Have you asked for a trust accounting of the funds that were paid to Kramer & Kaslow for Mitchell Stein? 4. Have you received any compensation for any of the clients you referred that have not been added to the case and have not received fully executed retainer agreements?5. Have you attempted to obtain refunds for any of the clients you referred knowing that Kramer is no longer affiliated with Stein and is not authorized to represent Stein (per 2.3.11 court transcript)?We have engaged before on the Mandelman Matters forum on ML Implode, and I know you know that Mass Litigation Alliance was created to switch the affiliates over from Kramer & Kaslow. I also know that your website is included in the list of banned websites. Here is one of your websites:http://www.coasttocoastdebtres…And here is your Mass Litigation website:http://www.kandklitigation.com…Note: When you click on “Home” on the above website, it takes you to this website for Mass Litigation Alliance: (and yes, that is your phone number):Some pretty lofty promises being made on the FAQ page wouldn’t you say? Also, Stein’s case is referenced on both your Kramer & Kaslow and Mass Litigation Alliance website. Please note that I took great care in printing the webpages to PDF and sent the information to an investigator. Shame on you Scott Weiner. Shame on you.

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  2. Steve,

    If you would like any more information or even talk to me on the phone let me know. I would be happy to answer any questions and clear up any legal matters people may be confused about.

    Sincerely,

    Scott Weiner

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  3. I am Scott Weiner and this email was forwarded to me. Let me address some of what Amy said on here.

    I did speak with Amy Cullen yesterday about entering into the Mass Joinder lawsuit. She gave me all of her information except for her loan number and I sent her an official application. I was a tad confused as to why she would consider her loan number a secret – we need it to process her into the lawsuit. When she didn’t want to give it I said no problem I would enter 111111 and she could write over it if she decided to go into the lawsuit.

    As far as asking for her Social Security number that was because I could not pull up the information on her home in the MERS database https://www.mers-servicerid.or… as you can see you can search by property address or by name, SS# and zip code. Unfortunately the people at MERS make frequent typing mistakes making it hard to pull up addresses. It’s much easier to find someones loan history by using the SS#. When she did not want to give it I did not “chide” her. Most people give it to me – and as a member of the bar not only would I never misuse it but I never even write them down.

    We did speak about Mitchell Stein however I said none of what she is alleging. She asked about other Joinder attorneys doing this and I mentioned Stein and said that I knew too many people (including my brother) who signed up for his BOA lawsuit and had not yet been entered after four months. When Amy asked why I said I had no idea and that another client when told about this joked that he was with Charlie Sheen. Amy asked me if he was on drugs and I said I had no idea, I had never met or spoken to him.

    I do run the website thedebtdog.com, and if you go there you will find a wealth of information for consumers researching information about debt. I don’t make any money off of the blog and I do it as a public service. Sure I have ads for the companies I run, it’s my blog. I assure you if you go read my articles they are all educational.

    Actually Steve Rhode was an inspiration in starting the blog.

    I did just read the warning that California put out and while I agree that consumers must be warned about unauthorized members of the Mass Litigation Alliance. People who are being told that entering the lawsuit will be able to keep their house are being lied to and I never say that to anyone.

    Here is a list from that article… I will make some comments next to them…

    What are the Claims/Sales Pitches?
    They are many and varied, and include:

    1. You can join in a mass joinder or class action lawsuit already filed against your lender and stay in your home. You can stop paying your lender.

    — We never make the claim you will be able to stay in your home and we always recommend you keep paying your lender. If someone says otherwise they are either violating our rules or are a fraudulent website.

    2. The mortgage loans can be stripped entirely from your home.

    — This is a possibility, the New York Times certainly thinks so – http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03

    3. Your payment obligation and foreclosure against your home can be stopped when the lawsuit is filed.

    — Once again I have never told anyone this nor is it allowed.

    4. The litigation will take the power away from your lender.

    — The litigation may empower people who have been defrauded. It does not take anything away from the lender until settlement or a jury trial.

    5. A jury will side with you and against your lender.

    — Even the fraudulent guys wouldn’t say something this stupid – litigation is always uncertain. It’s even says so in our contract.

    6. The lawsuit will give you the leverage you need to stay in your home.

    — Once again, I have never told anyone this nor do I know anyone in the Mass Litigation Alliance who has.

    7. The lawsuit may give you the right to rescind your home loan, or to reduce your principal.

    — That is certainly a possibility. It’s part of the damages we seek.

    8. The lawsuit will help you modify your home loan. It will give you a step up in the loan modification process.

    — The lawsuit does nothing but potentially allow a settlement in which this can happen or a jury verdict.

    9. The litigation will be performed through “powerful” litigation attorney representation.

    — We certainly believe that the attorneys involved have more than enough experience to prosecute this case. No one is alleging that the attorneys can shoot fire out of their eyes.

    10. Litigation attorneys are “turning the tables on lenders and getting cash settlements for homeowners”.

    — There are other cases in the nation where people have sued their lenders and won. Google it.

    Scott Weiner

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  4. I am Scott Weiner and this email was forwarded to me. Let me address some of what Amy said on here.

    I did speak with Amy Cullen yesterday about entering into the Mass Joinder lawsuit. She gave me all of her information except for her loan number and I sent her an official application. I was a tad confused as to why she would consider her loan number a secret – we need it to process her into the lawsuit. When she didn’t want to give it I said no problem I would enter 111111 and she could write over it if she decided to go into the lawsuit.

    As far as asking for her Social Security number that was because I could not pull up the information on her home in the MERS database https://www.mers-servicerid.org/sis/search, as you can see you can search by property address or by name, SS# and zip code. Unfortunately the people at MERS make frequent typing mistakes making it hard to pull up addresses. It’s much easier to find someones loan history by using the SS#. When she did not want to give it I did not “chide” her. Most people give it to me – and as a member of the bar not only would I never misuse it but I never even write them down.

    We did speak about Mitchell Stein however I said none of what she is alleging. She asked about other Joinder attorneys doing this and I mentioned Stein and said that I knew too many people (including my brother) who signed up for his BOA lawsuit and had not yet been entered after four months. When Amy asked why I said I had no idea and that another client when told about this joked that he was with Charlie Sheen. Amy asked me if he was on drugs and I said I had no idea, I had never met or spoken to him.

    I do run the website thedebtdog.com, and if you go there you will find a wealth of information for consumers researching information about debt. I don’t make any money off of the blog and I do it as a public service. Sure I have ads for the companies I run, it’s my blog. I assure you if you go read my articles they are all educational.

    Actually Steve Rhode was an inspiration in starting the blog.

    I did just read the warning that California put out and while I agree that consumers must be warned about unauthorized members of the Mass Litigation Alliance. People who are being told that entering the lawsuit will be able to keep their house are being lied to and I never say that to anyone.

    Here is a list from that article… I will make some comments next to them…

    What are the Claims/Sales Pitches?
    They are many and varied, and include:

    1. You can join in a mass joinder or class action lawsuit already filed against your lender and stay in your home. You can stop paying your lender.

    — We never make the claim you will be able to stay in your home and we always recommend you keep paying your lender. If someone says otherwise they are either violating our rules or are a fraudulent website.

    2. The mortgage loans can be stripped entirely from your home.

    — This is a possibility, the New York Times certainly thinks so – http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/business/06mers.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1

    3. Your payment obligation and foreclosure against your home can be stopped when the lawsuit is filed.

    — Once again I have never told anyone this nor is it allowed.

    4. The litigation will take the power away from your lender.

    — The litigation may empower people who have been defrauded. It does not take anything away from the lender until settlement or a jury trial.

    5. A jury will side with you and against your lender.

    — Even the fraudulent guys wouldn’t say something this stupid – litigation is always uncertain. It’s even says so in our contract.

    6. The lawsuit will give you the leverage you need to stay in your home.

    — Once again, I have never told anyone this nor do I know anyone in the Mass Litigation Alliance who has.

    7. The lawsuit may give you the right to rescind your home loan, or to reduce your principal.

    — That is certainly a possibility. It’s part of the damages we seek.

    8. The lawsuit will help you modify your home loan. It will give you a step up in the loan modification process.

    — The lawsuit does nothing but potentially allow a settlement in which this can happen or a jury verdict.

    9. The litigation will be performed through “powerful” litigation attorney representation.

    — We certainly believe that the attorneys involved have more than enough experience to prosecute this case. No one is alleging that the attorneys can shoot fire out of their eyes.

    10. Litigation attorneys are “turning the tables on lenders and getting cash settlements for homeowners”.

    — There are other cases in the nation where people have sued their lenders and won. Google it.

    Scott Weiner

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