Mass Litigation Alliance Marketing for Mass Joinder Cases Seems Confusing and Deceptive. – Amy

“Dear Steve,

I am attempting to clarify an association between Mass Litigation Alliance and attorney Mitchell J. Stein. This plot seems to be getting thicker and thicker.

I spoke to a Mass Litigation Alliance representative on 3/16/11. He identified himself as Scott Weiner, whom I have verified is an attorney licensed in IL, residing in FL. This individual claimed to be from Chicago (which I identified based on his accent) and he stated the he lived in Ft. Lauderdale. Perhaps he was or was not the real Scott Weiner. He attempted to recruit me and sent a form to enroll me into their mass joinder lawsuit. He asked for my social security number and loan number over the phone, which I would not provide, then chided me for not doing so. He also gave me a link to his own web site: www.thedebtdog.com. He said he owned a debt relief service, and offered these services to me.

During our phone conversation he spontaneously warned about attorney Mitchell Stein. He indicated that I should avoid retaining Mr. Stein’s services since he likely has a substance abuse problem, and because cases under his direction would be delayed due to neglect.

The part of my story that becomes confusing is the fact that the paperwork he provided me with (attached) states that Mass Litigation Alliance is “delighted to announce our association and affiliation with MJ&S Associates, a highly respected and feared litigation law firm…headed by attorney M. J. Stein…” This directly contradicts his slanderous statements, and according to M. J. Stein’s website, is blatantly false.

Mr. Stein claims no association with Mass Litigation Alliance, Philip Kramer or Matt Davis according to the warning on his web site. The California Bar website states that Mitchell J. Stein has his own law firm. There is no Mention of Mass Litigation Alliance.

At this point I have no idea who is telling the truth, but I certainly would avoid all parties mentioned. There is a warning posted on the CA Department of Real Estate web site regarding these mass joinder lawsuits, but I am afraid most consumers are not aware of it.

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Sincerely,
Amy”

Dear Amy,

Frankly I’m just as confused as you are. Recently Mass Litigation Alliance sent me material that shows Stein as part of them but Stein denies it. See this article.

The marketing of mass joinder cases is a total mess. Marketing representatives are saying just about anything they want to and even in my secret shopper call I was alarmed by the statements made.

The best advice I can offer right now, is that it’s impossible to know who to trust and you’d be better off avoiding any mass joinder suit for now and give regulators some time to act to clean up this situation.

The Debt Dog blog site but the site does mention a Scott Weiner and have an ad on it for Mass Litigation Alliance.

In fact one page on the site seems to make the same connections you did.

I am the CEO of Coast To Coast Debt Resolution and every single day for 10-12 hours a day I take calls and answer questions from people who ask for help with their debt. I’ve been at this for years now so it occurred to me that it would be an excellent idea to have a place for people to go and get real answers to common questions. I have personally gone through and completed a debt settlement process so I have the first hand experience of how it feels to go from having enough money to suddenly not being able to pay my credit cards. However with the proper help I was able to eliminate over $100,000 in debt and become debt free in less than two years. I am an Illinois Licensed Attorney, a Florida Supreme Court Certified Mediator, and an American Arbitration Commercial Arbitrator. – Source

Please post your responses and follow-up messages to me on this in the comments section below.

Sincerly,
Steve

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20 thoughts on “Mass Litigation Alliance Marketing for Mass Joinder Cases Seems Confusing and Deceptive. – Amy”

  1. And for the record, here is the comment on the Piggy Bank Blog that I am referencing:

    KW
    February 24, 2011 at 6:04 am
    $$ withdrawn out of my account mid December
    From: Matthew Davis [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:47 PM
    To: xxxxx
    Subject: Re: ASAP
    Hi Scott, I just got a message from Ken but I’m swamped and haven’t been able to return it. Please tell him I’m sorry. If you want to forward this email to him that, that’d be great. I’ve come to understand from Philip Kramer that Mitchell Stein has still not signed many of his retainers. I have no idea if that means he has or has not added individual clients to his ongoing mass joinder cases or not. I also don’t know if that means Ken’s retainer isn’t signed. At one point, I was told Stein agreed to sit down and sign all the retainers that had been building up on his desk. I’ve since learned that still no one has seen these retainers come back. However, since that date, Stein filed a new BoA case called Wright v. BOA. It’s very possible Stein included Ken on that suit, but I honestly don’t know if he did or not.

    http://www.piggybankblog.com/2

    I have a problem with this for a couple of reasons.

    1. If Stein doesn’t know that parties such as yourself were selling access to the suit, why would agree to sit down and sign retainers?

    2. Knowing that monies were paid in December 2010 to Kramer for Stein’s B of A case, why wouldn’t you have a problem with not having received back the signed retainer by February 24, 2011?

    3. Knowing that Stein claimed to the Judge in the Ronald vs B of A case on 2/3/11 that Kramer was not authorized to represent Stein, why would you possibly deal with anyone other than Stein in regard to your brother’s retainer? I can see dealing with Kramer on a refund or trust accounting, but certainly not Stein’s retainer. Even so, why will you deal with Matt and not Kramer directly being that funds were paid to his law office?

    You can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but at the end of the day, all you really have is a pig wearing lipstick.

    At what point do you think that the responsible thing to do is to contact Stein given his multiple disclaimers and statements to a Judge (as an officer of the court) that Kramer is not authorized? Do you not want to know whether the people you are dealing with are telling the truth? Or merely acting without authorization?

    And given the serious red flags, inconsistencies, deceptive marketing, and clandestine partnerships, why would you continue to do business with a firm whose practices appear to be questionable at best? Don’t you have a duty to ensure that the businesses and firms you refer clients to (and collect money from) are being serviced and that their funds are placed in a trust account?

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  2. And for the record, here is the comment on the Piggy Bank Blog that I am referencing:

    KW
    February 24, 2011 at 6:04 am
    $$ withdrawn out of my account mid December
    From: Matthew Davis [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:47 PM
    To: xxxxx
    Subject: Re: ASAP
    Hi Scott, I just got a message from Ken but I’m swamped and haven’t been able to return it. Please tell him I’m sorry. If you want to forward this email to him that, that’d be great. I’ve come to understand from Philip Kramer that Mitchell Stein has still not signed many of his retainers. I have no idea if that means he has or has not added individual clients to his ongoing mass joinder cases or not. I also don’t know if that means Ken’s retainer isn’t signed. At one point, I was told Stein agreed to sit down and sign all the retainers that had been building up on his desk. I’ve since learned that still no one has seen these retainers come back. However, since that date, Stein filed a new BoA case called Wright v. BOA. It’s very possible Stein included Ken on that suit, but I honestly don’t know if he did or not.

    http://www.piggybankblog.com/2003/09/09/masslitalliance-com/

    I have a problem with this for a couple of reasons.

    1. If Stein doesn’t know that parties such as yourself were selling access to the suit, why would agree to sit down and sign retainers?

    2. Knowing that monies were paid in December 2010 to Kramer for Stein’s B of A case, why wouldn’t you have a problem with not having received back the signed retainer by February 24, 2011?

    3. Knowing that Stein claimed to the Judge in the Ronald vs B of A case on 2/3/11 that Kramer was not authorized to represent Stein, why would you possibly deal with anyone other than Stein in regard to your brother’s retainer? I can see dealing with Kramer on a refund or trust accounting, but certainly not Stein’s retainer. Even so, why will you deal with Matt and not Kramer directly being that funds were paid to his law office?

    You can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but at the end of the day, all you really have is a pig wearing lipstick.

    At what point do you think that the responsible thing to do is to contact Stein given his multiple disclaimers and statements to a Judge (as an officer of the court) that Kramer is not authorized? Do you not want to know whether the people you are dealing with are telling the truth? Or merely acting without authorization?

    And given the serious red flags, inconsistencies, deceptive marketing, and clandestine partnerships, why would you continue to do business with a firm whose practices appear to be questionable at best? Don’t you have a duty to ensure that the businesses and firms you refer clients to (and collect money from) are being serviced and that their funds are placed in a trust account?

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  3. Ken, correction: Your brother did not email Mr. Davis for status on the Stein case- it was you. And I did not see the email, but moreover, the post regarding the email on the Piggy Bank Blog.

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  4. Ken, correction: Your brother did not email Mr. Davis for status on the Stein case- it was you. And I did not see the email, but moreover, the post regarding the email on the Piggy Bank Blog.

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  5. Ken, few questions:

    1. In regard to the individuals you referred to Kramer & Kaslow for Stein’s B of A case, did you or any of clients ever receive a signed retainer back?

    (Note: I already know the answer to this because I saw the comments left on Stein’s Facebook page by your brother and engaged Stein in the comment thread. My comments as well as others were eventually deleted by Stein, but I kept the copy. I also saw the comment that your brother left on Piggy Bank Blog and an email from Matt Davis re: Stein not getting around to signing retainers).

    2. How can you, as an attorney in Illinois, refer Florida clients to a California attorney?

    3. Have you asked for a trust accounting of the funds that were paid to Kramer & Kaslow for Mitchell Stein?

    4. Have you received any compensation for any of the clients you referred that have not been added to the case and have not received fully executed retainer agreements?

    5. Have you attempted to obtain refunds for any of the clients you referred knowing that Kramer is no longer affiliated with Stein and is not authorized to represent Stein (per 2.3.11 court transcript)?

    We have engaged before on the Mandelman Matters forum on ML Implode, and I know you know that Mass Litigation Alliance was created to switch the affiliates over from Kramer & Kaslow. I also know that your website is included in the list of banned websites.

    Here is one of your websites:

    http://www.coasttocoastdebtres

    And here is your Mass Litigation website:

    http://www.kandklitigation.com

    Note: When you click on “Home” on the above website, it takes you to this website for Mass Litigation Alliance: (and yes, that is your phone number):

    Some pretty lofty promises being made on the FAQ page wouldn’t you say? Also, Stein’s case is referenced on both your Kramer & Kaslow and Mass Litigation Alliance website. Please note that I took great care in printing the webpages to PDF and sent the information to an investigator.

    Shame on you Scott Weiner. Shame on you.

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