Mass Litigation Alliance Marketing for Mass Joinder Cases Seems Confusing and Deceptive. – Amy

“Dear Steve,

I am attempting to clarify an association between Mass Litigation Alliance and attorney Mitchell J. Stein. This plot seems to be getting thicker and thicker.

I spoke to a Mass Litigation Alliance representative on 3/16/11. He identified himself as Scott Weiner, whom I have verified is an attorney licensed in IL, residing in FL. This individual claimed to be from Chicago (which I identified based on his accent) and he stated the he lived in Ft. Lauderdale. Perhaps he was or was not the real Scott Weiner. He attempted to recruit me and sent a form to enroll me into their mass joinder lawsuit. He asked for my social security number and loan number over the phone, which I would not provide, then chided me for not doing so. He also gave me a link to his own web site: www.thedebtdog.com. He said he owned a debt relief service, and offered these services to me.

During our phone conversation he spontaneously warned about attorney Mitchell Stein. He indicated that I should avoid retaining Mr. Stein’s services since he likely has a substance abuse problem, and because cases under his direction would be delayed due to neglect.

The part of my story that becomes confusing is the fact that the paperwork he provided me with (attached) states that Mass Litigation Alliance is “delighted to announce our association and affiliation with MJ&S Associates, a highly respected and feared litigation law firm…headed by attorney M. J. Stein…” This directly contradicts his slanderous statements, and according to M. J. Stein’s website, is blatantly false.

Mr. Stein claims no association with Mass Litigation Alliance, Philip Kramer or Matt Davis according to the warning on his web site. The California Bar website states that Mitchell J. Stein has his own law firm. There is no Mention of Mass Litigation Alliance.

At this point I have no idea who is telling the truth, but I certainly would avoid all parties mentioned. There is a warning posted on the CA Department of Real Estate web site regarding these mass joinder lawsuits, but I am afraid most consumers are not aware of it.

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Sincerely,
Amy”

Dear Amy,

Frankly I’m just as confused as you are. Recently Mass Litigation Alliance sent me material that shows Stein as part of them but Stein denies it. See this article.

The marketing of mass joinder cases is a total mess. Marketing representatives are saying just about anything they want to and even in my secret shopper call I was alarmed by the statements made.

The best advice I can offer right now, is that it’s impossible to know who to trust and you’d be better off avoiding any mass joinder suit for now and give regulators some time to act to clean up this situation.

The Debt Dog blog site but the site does mention a Scott Weiner and have an ad on it for Mass Litigation Alliance.

In fact one page on the site seems to make the same connections you did.

I am the CEO of Coast To Coast Debt Resolution and every single day for 10-12 hours a day I take calls and answer questions from people who ask for help with their debt. I’ve been at this for years now so it occurred to me that it would be an excellent idea to have a place for people to go and get real answers to common questions. I have personally gone through and completed a debt settlement process so I have the first hand experience of how it feels to go from having enough money to suddenly not being able to pay my credit cards. However with the proper help I was able to eliminate over $100,000 in debt and become debt free in less than two years. I am an Illinois Licensed Attorney, a Florida Supreme Court Certified Mediator, and an American Arbitration Commercial Arbitrator. – Source

Please post your responses and follow-up messages to me on this in the comments section below.

Sincerly,
Steve

You are not alone. I'm here to help. There is no need to suffer in silence. We can get through this. Tomorrow can be better than today. Don't give up.

Damon Day - Pro Debt Coach

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20 thoughts on “Mass Litigation Alliance Marketing for Mass Joinder Cases Seems Confusing and Deceptive. – Amy”

  1. I have a few problems about your situation too. Your social security number is a very private matter and it was right on your part to refrain from sharing it to a stranger on the phone. It should be kept safe and him “chiding” you for protecting your security should raise up a red flag. No matter who is on the other line, you have no guarantee that Mr. Weiner does not have deceptive motives. Considering his contradictory statements, you should approach this dilemma with hesitancy just like Steve said.  He is right, it is best to stay out of ropes until everything is cleared up. If you still want to enroll in a mass joinder group you should  consider the Consolidated Retention group.  My experience with them was quite good. 

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  2. I am an internet and marketing guru and I see nothing wrong or illegal about consolidation litigation group.  The different phone numbers probably belong to their different marketing affiliates.  It’s analogous to insurance brokers selling the same package from the same insurance company except at different rates.  I see nothing wrong with consolidated litigation group working for kramer-kaslow and Christopher van son and acting as intake for other attorneys at the same time.  It’s normal business.   The different internet domains pointing to the same CLG site would show different phone numbers for the purpose of crediting each affiliate.  This is very standard internet marketing technology.   When a product no longer exists, Affiliates may need to switch probably because they need something else to sell.   Maybe some affiliates also switched to other intake companies too.   All this seems standard and well. Everything is right about it if you can relate to marketing dynamics and technology. 

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  3.  am happy we have Steve around us to help us without any bias whenever we need help. He is one person whom I can rely and count on. He really helped me in repaying my debts in previous nonrelated articles. Amy says that she was confused by mass litigation and found it deceptive. There are many of these marketing firms for mass joinder cases.  A reputable firm is the home retention division http://conligroup.com of the Consolidated Litigation Group.  If you go to the lawyer page, Christopher Van Son is the attorney, with Kramer as the counsel.  I found them very transparent and clear in their dealing when I had a similar problem. Hence I would suggest everyone to go for it!

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    • Tohat, have you noticed how many Consolidated Litigation Groups that show up on a Google Search with different addresses and phone numbers?  Please also note that Philip Kramer is also listed as an attorney, and the Kramer-Kaslow website lists Consolidated Litigation Group as   intake for Kramer & Kaslow.  

      Consolidated Litigation Group emerged when Mass Litigation Alliance ended.  Within days, many of the MLA affiliates switched over to CLG websites.  

      By the way, the link you provided for Consolidation Litigation Group is not the same site noted on the Kramer-Kaslow website.  

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  4. Oops, I meant to say “Shame on you Scott Weiner”

    Ken Weiner has done nothing wrong, and his name got stuck in my head because he contacted Stein on Stein’s Facebook page.

    But Scott, the reality is that your brother should never have had to chase down Stein on Facebook. No homeowner should have to chase down Stein or any affiliated attorney. The person who promotes the Mass Joinder should have the common decency and professionalism to ensure that the needs of the clients they refer are being handled- regardless of whether or not they are family. If the level of service promised is not the level of service delivered, it should be cause to step back and reevaluate before referring others.

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  5. Oops, I meant to say “Shame on you Scott Weiner”

    Ken Weiner has done nothing wrong, and his name got stuck in my head because he contacted Stein on Stein’s Facebook page.

    But Scott, the reality is that your brother should never have had to chase down Stein on Facebook. No homeowner should have to chase down Stein or any affiliated attorney. The person who promotes the Mass Joinder should have the common decency and professionalism to ensure that the needs of the clients they refer are being handled- regardless of whether or not they are family. If the level of service promised is not the level of service delivered, it should be cause to step back and reevaluate before referring others.

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