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I Want to Kill Myself Because of My Student Loans. I Dream of Dying.

Written by Steve Rhode

“Dear Steve,

I have seen that there are others who have posted that they have contemplated suicide in order to get out of student loan debt and I can tell you that they aren’t alone.

I was laid off twice since I graduated and I can’t afford to pay my loans back. I couldn’t even if I found a job. I pay $280/month (that is WITH IBR) in my Federal loans and over $600/month in private.

I haven’t defaulted yet because I have managed to borrow money from parents and sell off any belongings that I have.

Keep in mind, I can’t find a job in this economy. I have zero dollars income, so they are using my husbands income for IBR, I assume.

I apply for every job I can find and I am told that I am either over-qualified or under-qualified. My husband contributes what he can in order to pay the loans, which leaves us with nothing.

One used car was repossessed. We have a baby, who needs food and diapers, so now we have $1,000s in credit card debt on top of it all.

We would be homeless and living on the street if my parents didn’t give us a room in their house. Every penny we have goes to student loans, so any need we have goes on a credit card and I can’t breathe!

There are plenty of nights where I close my eyes and imagine dying and how I wouldn’t have to feel this weight on my anymore if I died.

I have wished that I would die in my sleep on several occasions. I believe that the only reason I am still here is my baby. She needs me but at the same time, what kind of life will she have with me as a mother?

I can’t provide her with anything. We struggle just to buy diapers and there is no end in sight. I will never be able to buy a home. If something were to happen to my parents, we’d live under a bridge.

My credit is destroyed. I won’t be able to send her to college and if you can’t get a job with a college degree now, imagine 18 years from now. The problem is, I don’t know if that will solve the problem either.

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My father co-signed for the loan, so if I were to die, would they go after him for the money?

I know I sound dramatic, but this is what I live with every day. Every day is a struggle to get through. I sit in front of a computer applying for jobs that I won’t get and even if I do the income won’t cover my bills. (Don’t forget that when I am employed, the IBR goes up).

I am missing the best years of my baby’s life trying to make sure she can have a life some day and I can’t help myself, so how can I help her. I am usually a much better writer but I had no idea so many emotions were going to come flooding out. I apologize. Most of this information is irrelevant to you.

Is there any way out? How do I get out? Will my dad be stuck with the loans no matter what?


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Dear J,

I understand how the hopeless feelings you are having about the student loans debt naturally lead you to some conclusion that killing yourself is a better way to deal with the situation.

I’m not judging you for thinking that but I hope you realize that’s just fucked up. It’s not a representation of what reality is. It’s a representation of what your emotional state is.

You are you and your debt is your debt. Debt is just math wrapped in emotion. It is not moral and does not judge you. It’s a number.

So let’s say you kill yourself over this number. That doesn’t make the debt go away. That just leaves your baby without a mother, your husband alone and your father holding the bag for the debt.

Let’s look at the worst that can happen here with your debt. If you can’t pay the debt then the collectors will tack on a collection penalty and might go after your father for the balance due. He’s on the hook anyway so committing suicide doesn’t solve a thing except let you think you are running away.

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Let’s stop trying to live your life in fear.

fear is a prison

Let’s start living in hope and seek out kindness and gratitude. I know that’s trite advice but you how what, it really works. The more you put out positive energy, the more positive energy you attract.

If you can’t find a job, let’s find some benefits you qualify for. That’s the same as income. I want you to go to and use the online calculator to find out what help you are eligible for. Help with diapers and baby food is better than no help with diapers and baby food.

How much other debt do you have on top of the student loan debt?

Why not turn to some other avenues of applying for some kind of income. What about or even for local job openings. All the people I know are finding jobs that way instead of the big employment boards.

Let’s start making some positive moves towards a better future. If you’ve applied for 400 jobs, I want you to apply for 400 more. If you have not tried those other resources I gave you, try them.

Go around to your local businesses and ask them if they are hiring. Jobs are often available before they are advertised.

If you’ve given up on yourself and your future, then that is a self-fullfiling prophecy.

Take a day off for a pity festival and then get the hell back to making a job out of getting a job. Oh yes, and applying for all the benefits you are qualified for.

If you kill yourself over this I will personally hunt you down and kick your ass.

Please post your responses and follow-up messages to me on this in the comments section below.

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  • Hi Steve,

    I have had similar thoughts as J has had. I’m 160k+ Sallie Mae/Navient $1200 mo. and 70K $650 mo. Gov’t through Great Lakes. It’s been a year and half since I graduated. Have not been able to get an internship since my junior year. I need at least a years worth of internship experience to qualify for a Jr. level Art Direction position. Granted the higher up the ladder the sallary is enough to survive. My elderly grandma consigned the Sallie Mae/Navient which are on hold. Although I’ve been missing the Gov’t payments. I don’t want my grandma to be on the hook yet when life runs its course. Me skipping out on life-loans won’t blow back on anyone. Almost 30. Having a family, home, etc is looking far from possible.

    Running out of options.
    Hiring managers are useless-resume gets passed over.


    Thank you,


  • I have 130,000 in student loan debt. I actually finished my degree in three years (went year round). Didn’t really matter. I cant find a job. I’ve applied to almost 120 jobs. I had a 3.3 but no experience other than being a waiter through college. I have parent plus loans so the IBR strategy would actually make my payments go up. I’m on a 25 year plan having to paying roughly 900 a month. I wouldn’t care to default but it would effect my father’s credit. No one will refinance me because of my inability to pay. Any suggestions? The only option (not really an option) is death discharge. All my loans would b3 forgive in were to die.

  • Steve, I was wondering if you could be so kind to give me advice. I am 100k in debt through a PARENT PLUS LOAN. I have paid the minimum for the last 5 years and even that was 100% of my paycheck. My parents now help because living home was making me extremely suicidal. We have paid over $50k and it has paid off only $2k. This is a private loan, yes toward education, through Green Lakes (Who I believe have had a lawsuit over their high interest rates)

    I have no idea what to do, I am struggling so much even with my parents helping me pay it and I can only imagine the burden on them. I am on a thin rope and suicide is a constant thought due to the loan stating my death would end the debt. I don’t want to ruin my parent’s credit and $800 a month for 5 years has barely made a scratch on the total debt. Thank you for reading.


  • I’m 192k in student debt. just lost my job, my anti depressants are expensive. been suicidal because of Sallie Mae/Navient. now I am trapped because I would not want the debt burden to go to my parents…

  • So just to be clear in my head, you are on a current IBR that is based on your income alone, correct? Have you had any changes in lower income that have not been reported to adjust your IBR payment?

  • Listen I had the same thoughts over my $130K in student loan debt! But I WON a FULL DISCHARGE by filing Bankruptcy! You can go that route! I feel FREE AT LAST! Read my story here: AND follow my Blog at: Please!!! Best regards and I am praying for you! Signed Richard Allan Precht (I won a full discharge under 11 USC §523(a)(8) on February 8th, 2016)

  • I know I’m late to this post, but I entirely understand what it feels like to wake up every morning and wonder if the world, my children, and those who know me would be better off if I no longer existed. After graduating with a JD and moving back to my home state because of my post-first-year in law school divorce, the in school legal experience that would have landed me the position at the office I worked for while studying is valueless to gaining legal employment now.

    You see, for public interest attorneys like myself, unpaid internships are the new entry level. Yet the luxury of working at the expense of my indebtedness is no longer an option with hundreds of thousands in student loan debt hanging over my head. The legal market is also so flooded and weak that paying gigs are reserved for those connected or experienced in private firm work.

    Like the initial poster, I am also overqualified for many positions that I would like to take (positions that were easily obtainable before I went to law school), and either underqualified for other fields that invariably require two to five years specialized experience in their field, or seen as an ostensible failure by employers who wonder why a JD would not be practicing law. It’s a desperate game of damned if you do damned if you don’t at this point.

    Each passing day that I send out dozens of job applications with no response or rejections makes me feel more hopeless. There was a time where I knew I was valued, where I could land the position I desired whether in government, as a policy analyst for politicians, or in administration in higher education. Many of these positions see my prior experience as having expired, or now require additional specialized training to open the door. Not being able to find any work, as the gap on my resume (which I never had before law school) gets larger with each passing week, is literally causing a deep sensation that I can only describe as panic to linger in my core throughout my day.

    I am at my wits end. I cannot go back to school to further specialize in something because my debt load is already outrageous, the entirety of which accumulated during three years of legal education–I had a full scholarship during undergrad. I cannot network through internships into a position as I would be immediately ruined by the cost of financing my own work. And as everyone in my position knows, there is no discharging my debt. The only peace I have in this world is when I sleep. The moment I wake up the indentured hell that is now my life rages uncontrollably in my consciousness, almost as if a wild animal was constantly snarling over me waiting for me to open my eyes. Sometimes sleep is not even an escape, though as I’ve accepted my lot, my nightmares are not what they once were. I love my kids, it is why have made it this far. But I also wonder if they would be better off without me, better off not being affected by my desperation (which I worry they will see in my eyes, or sense in my demeanor). Would they be better off not having an impending broken man as a role model? I ask myself these questions, and at least a few times a day, the answer (emotionally, logically, or sometimes a mixture of both) is yes.

  • Steve, you should hunt me down because I’m at the point of no return. You can kick my ass, but it won’t matter. Trust me, I won’t feel a thing. Student loans1, Jake 0

  • I am 140,000 in student loan debt. I am an older student who, as a single mother, thought it would be a good idea to go back to school to show my son the value of education. Ha..what a joke. After getting a bachelors in education I could not find work, so I continued on for the masters thinking maybe a higher degree might help me secure a position. No dice. After getting my masters, I found I could not get a job. I applied time after time, altered my resume, personalized cover letters, etc., etc…all to no avail. I decided at this point to go back to school for my doctorate, thinking this might finally enable me to find work. I secured a position as a graduate assistant which pays a paltry wage and only allows 20 hours of work weekly (McDonald’s workers make more than I do), and still have to take out student loans to help pay bills while I am in school. I continue to apply for position after position, and still get no work. I have talked to advisors and so-called mentors, begging them to help me, and to date, I have received promises, but no assistance in securing a position. When all of this started, I was in my 30’s. I am now 50. I have basically aged out of the job market, and see little hope for the future. I completely understand this post. I have never been depressed enough to consider suicide, but I can definitely see how that can occur. After each rejected application, I feel increasingly hopeless. I am stuck in a catch 22. I have to stay in school to keep my graduate assistant position, and don’t make enough to support myself without student loans, but the student loans are what are suffocating me. There is likely no hope for any reprieve from this debt, and in the end, it will likely be the end of me.

  • This system is completely rigged against you. There is no way out. If I were you I would simply refuse to work for 8 dollars an hour. If you’re going to make that wage the only way you can feed yourself and your baby is if you have no rent or bills to pay and even then you couldn’t afford student loan repayment. Which means you would have to be homeless. It is not worth it to work demeaning menial jobs for a wage so low it only pays for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. They will kick you around and treat you like a mule for 8 measly bucks per hour. Are you gonna take that?

    Build a business and live off of government handouts and free food you can get anywhere. Make extra cash off the books somewhere baby sitting.

    • Don’t do anything drastic. See an attorney familiar with student loan debt. Your best bet might be to default. Even though you and your father would get a judgment against you, there are limitations on what can be collected via a judgment. New York, for example, allows only 10% on garnishment. The creditor would have to find your job first, then garnish your wages. Since you indicate that you have trouble finding employment anyway, they may be left with no way to collect from you. The creditor could collect from your father, but if he is retired, their options might be limited to attempting to garnish his social security check. No sense in him or your husband forking over money to float this debt when they can let you default and then pay less. Also, your state, like New York, may have a procedure to obtain a “protective order” to limit the amount that can be collected from someone, like your father.

      If your father is flush with cash or other leviable assets all bets would be off.

      If you file a Chapter 13 you can pay a percentage of your household income, probably little or possibly nothing, to the debt for five years. You wipe out the credit card debt. After the time is up you file another Chapter 13 and do the same, there is no limit. The automatic bankruptcy stay may protect your father too, if he needs protection. He doesn’t even have to file. The bankruptcy laws were written to protect people in oppressive situations. Doesn’t that sound better than suicide?

  • Nothing you said helps her. Even I went to the webpage. No help. I work 40+ hours a week, and the majority of my paycheck goes to food and rent, and presentable clothing. Insurance on the car to get to work. I now ride a bike. I’m about to not have a place to live since my landlord wants us out so he can hike the rent up for the next people moving in, so now im in a position where i have to save money and be very careful where they goe. All this on a $14,000 a year income. And fuck you if you recommend i get a second job. 40+ hours a week tends to keep me tied up. Im tired, I’m angry, I’m poor. I work hard eveyday to try to better my position, and in the end nothing matters, nothing i do helps. I qualify for jack shit in benefits. What should I do? What should we do really?

  • I am sorry Steve but there are a lot of people in this situation and you don’t really seem to understand. I have almost 60,000 in student loan debts. I graduated at the worst time in the economy and had a terrible time getting a job in my field. I took a local job making less than 20,000 a year. I cant afford to rent an apartment, buy a car, have a family, or pay for food, forget paying student loans. I put my entire pay check into student loans. I still live at home 6 years after graduating, and I don;t even have money to go out with friends. I owe my parents for rent food cell phone bills and groceries for 6 YEARS!!! on top of all my other payments. My car is almost 20 years old and falling apart and I am barely keeping it together. Every day I get up fill out job applications go to work for 9 hours then come home and fill out job applications. I volunteer nights just so I can actually see other people, because I cant afford to have any other social interaction. I have nothing, I cant afford to do anything. This is not a way to live life. And I am sorry if you cant understand that. I am actually very glad you don’t live in this situation. I wouldn’t wish this upon my worst enemy. When you come up with some real advice for people in this situation then we can talk.

    • I agree there are a lot of people in horrible situations because of student loans. And I’m sympathetic as evidenced by what I wrote in the article. But in the situation you describe, for federal loans your payment should be $0 per month under an income driven plan and if the private loans are unpaid and older than the statute of limitations they are no longer collectible.

      • Just a clarification on the collectibility of private loans/statute of limitations – that is true for loans taken out pre-2007. For post-2007 loans, private student loans fall under the same remit as Federal ones .. they never expire. Look, my wife has over 160K in Federal Student Loans and 40K in Private Loans – she has a BS, two MA’s and a PhD and is currently working as a low paid adjunct … we file as Married, Separate as that gives her a monthly payment of $0. We are still on the hook for the Private loans though. After 10 years, we will get a big tax bill and file form 982 (insolvent) and hopefully it will be written off at that point. We don’t have any assets.

  • This post is a few years old so I’m not sure if the poster will even see this but many couples with this problem file their taxes married filing separately, so their loan repayment amounts are only based on their own individual income. Yes, its the worst tax position but I guess it must really work as I prepare a lot of separate returns.

    • Why don’t you just setup your own IBR. You can do it yourself. The IBR isn’t a trap if you think your income is not going to improve. If you don’t think it will then who cares how long you are in it.

      If your current situation makes repaying your student loans and undue hardship, there is an opportunity to discharge the loans in bankruptcy. See

      • Listen, I believe you want to be helpful. But you don’t get it and you don’t “listen” to what people say. I already explained why I’m seeking help with the IBR. These companies are a nightmare to deal with, and not all my loans are with the same service company.

        Read Basically Bass’s post again. And then mine. An IBR doesn’t SOLVE anything. It will NEVER touch the principle and they’ll just keep adding tens of thousands a year to my loan in interest. And I can’t discharge my loans – dream on about that one. I don’t even remotely meet the ridiculously strict criteria for “undue hardship” – already discussed that ad nauseum with my attorney, who, btw, is one of the few who HAS successfully gotten student loans discharged. Of course, one of those individuals was 70 years old. Great, maybe in another 15+ years I can discharge my loans. Yippee! And live in hell until then. NO thanks.

        As I said, I’m already in my 50s. I have NO future that is worth living because of this debt. Can’t ever own a home. Can’t date or get married. Can’t finance anything. Permanently ruined credit. Can’t EVER retire. And god forbid I ever get sick or injured. If you call that a worthwhile life, good for you. But for me, I’d rather be dead than keep living like this. “Abject misery” sums it up quite well.

        All of you debt help people really don’t have a clue to the reality those of us with crushing student debt deal with. Add growing tax debt to that, and there’s just no point in trying any more.

        Sorry I wasted my time posting here.

        • I’m apparently not doing a good job expressing myself. If you feel your income is not going to go up and you qualify for the IBR then ride it out. It won’t reduce your balance but you will either turn 75 and the balance will be forgiven or you will pass away of natural causes before then.

          An IBR does solve something. It reduces the payment to make it fall more in line with income. It doesn’t reduce the balance.

          The criteria for undue hardship is changing fast and people who have limited future income potential are having their loans eliminated. In fact the department of education is putting forward a better definition soon that will make this easier.

          It is impossible to have permanently ruined credit. Credit is stupid easy to rebuild.

  • Steve,
    I really hope that nobody commits suicide for any reason, but I don’t think your advice really takes into account the writer’s situation. For some of us, simply hanging in there and making minimum payments for 25 years will lead to a life of abject misery. No ability to ever own a home. No ability to start a family. If your loans are ever forgiven, the loan forgiveness is counted as income. For most, that tax bill will force them into bankruptcy – further delaying the ability to ever buy a home or retire. Most people don’t want to subsist and merely exist for their entire life. Stripped of all hope. No options to alleviate the burden and help them move on in a responsible way. The representative government of the people codified into law the rules that govern student loan debtors. When your society is telling you that the only viable way out of debt is through death, it’s no wonder people want to commit suicide. I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg and we’re going to see a lot of people looking at suicide in a rational way given the options.

    • I agree with you. There are no good options and I find it entirely ironic that the law allows for a fresh start through bankruptcy but Congress excluded most student loans from that protection. Heck, even IRS debt is dischargeable in bankruptcy.

    • Basically Bass, you get it, and I appreciate that at least SOMEONE gets it. There are tears as I type this, because I contemplate suicide every single day due to overwhelming debt. Not credit card debt. Student loan debt and tax debt. I’m in my 50s. Single. I stopped dating long ago due to my growing debt. I no longer dream of having my own home and instead living in a small, crummy apartment. My career was ruined by a severe bout of depression (long story) and the income I had planned on didn’t happen. Now I work from home, managing to keep a roof over my head, but unable to pay even current taxes on my income, let alone back taxes. I’m behind on filing and terrified that once I do, the wolves will be at my door and want more than I can pay. I’ve already gone through one eviction due to my financial struggles. I can’t afford to lose this home too. I lose sleep, and my anxiety is such that it’s difficult for me to be productive. I have a worthless attorney who’s supposed to be setting up an IBR. He thinks it’s great that I might have to pay only $50 a month. YAY!!! But that will continue for 25 years and NEVER touch the principle. So, I can NEVER retire. I have no health insurance so god forbid I get sick or injured. I can’t get help for my taxes because THAT costs money and I’ve lost faith in my attorney helping me with that. I have no life anymore. It’s easy to say “get a second job” – I barely have energy for my current work. I absolutely would rather be dead than live out whatever is left of my life working not one, but TWO jobs I hate, making little payments towards debt that will never go away. THAT IS NOT A LIFE WORTH LIVING!!! I don’t have anyone who needs me – no children, no spouse, no family. If I die, no one will be left with my debt. I truly see no reason most days to keep going.

      I don’t need preachy people telling me that suicide is a “permanent solution to a temporary problem”. There is NOTHING “temporary” about my problem. It is NOT going away unless I win the lottery (I don’t play, so that’s not going to happen). I’ve been dealing with this stress for many years now. I am tired and worn out. This isn’t a life at all. I’m tired of this debt. I didn’t end up in this situation because I’m irresponsible. Yes, I took a well-thought out reasonable risk going into debt to get my master’s and doctorate (necessary for my field of work) and didn’t anticipate everything going south shortly after grad school.

      I’m terrified of the IRS and the state. I’ve had my bank account frozen in the past and one of my freelance clients was garnished – guess what?? I LOST the client after that happened.

      I feel trapped in my worst nightmare. I know it’s just a matter of time.

      I’ve heard all the usual advice – get a second job (won’t even make a dent and will make me more exhausted and miserable than I already am); cut down expenses – great – I’m already living pretty frugally. And on and on. No one has offered a solution that will actually help.

      And to make it all worse? I can never date or marry because of this mess, so I don’t get to have love in my life either.

      The tears are streaming now.

      Anyway, Basically Bass, I am grateful that at least YOU get it – you summed up how I feel perfectly. I wish more people would get it like you do.

      • Just an observation, I want to make sure you are aware that tax liabilities more than three years old can be eliminated and discharged in bankruptcy. After that you could make a minimum payment plan with the IRS for the current amount due.

        You can setup the IBR yourself if you wanted to. See

        Here is an article we posted yesterday about a way to pay down your student loan in your spare time. See

        Does any of that information help you in your situation?

        • Yes, I’m aware of the tax liabilities. But as I said I’m several years behind on filing taxes, so those can’t be discharged until they’ve been filed for 3 years. Bankruptcy won’t touch 95% of my tax debt and none of my student loan debt.

          My attorney has had 4 months to get this IBR set up, and now my most recent deferment has ended and still NO IBR in place. I have a ton of different student loans, two or three different service companies managing them, and I’ve been told those can’t consolidated at this point, so I don’t know how to set an IBR up due to these complex factors. And the main service company (ACS) is horrid to deal with (they have hundreds of complaints) and usually it’s someone with an accent so thick you can’t understand a word they say. That’s why I hired an attorney who has a lot of experience with student loans, but he has completely dropped the ball leaving me more stressed than ever. I’m not one of his high paying clients, so clearly I don’t matter.

          But as I said, an IBR doesn’t fix anything (and your article on the IBR “trap” only made me more concerned about going that route). I’m in my 50s not 20s, and an IBR will last 25 years! This ever growing debt has destroyed my credit. So, I have no future anymore because of this debt. THAT’s what drives the suicidal thoughts. I have no life. I just exist miserably while drowning in all this debt.

          I grew up in a blue collar family with a lot of financial stress. I tried to better my life by getting a good education so I could have a well-paying career. Now I’m worse off than ever and living an endless nightmare. I’m tired. Really, really tired. The stress is taking a toll on my health, and I can’t afford health coverage. What’s the point any more??

  • This advice is completely shitty and this entire site is utter shit, people with debt trouble don’t need a bunch of scam capital one cards(the worst out there) or scam debt management consolidation crap.

    If you aren’t at the point that says this system is predatory and cannot be worked ‘with’ only against, then you are an idiot. Student loans are a scam to make the young pay for the privilege to work for the old. Just like all gambling, it uses the advertising of the success cases to lure in millions of people who have no chance of succeeding with it. It lets the people with all the advantages feel self-made when their parents gave them most of what they needed.

    If indeed what you say is true, although I doubt people like you believe it, and that debt is not a moral thing, or that it is abstract and not real, then they should just be dissolved like all evil fantasies, not used to scrap 20% out of the wages of people already in poverty.

    Student loans are a scam and this site is idiotic, don’t pay back your student loans at all, ever, they are just small business loans that some evil people made not endable by bankrupcy and we live in the window where idiots like the guy who runs this site haven’t figured that out yet.

  • Steve, very good advise. You have to be able to work the system and find the best way out of dept. Don’t panic over student loans. Not going to jail or anything like that. Take it a day at a time and work out a solution to your problem.

  • No offense, but Craigslist and Snagajob are about as helpful as asking the neighbor’s 12 year old deaf and blind dog for job leads. I’m $40,000 in debt in student loans, and am currently working for $8 an hour at Menards (a hardware chain in the Midwest, for those of you who have no clue what Menards is). When I was still unemployed, Snagajob only had jobs for minimum wage (my state sits directly at the Federal Minimum – $7.25/hr.). I am not even close to making it on $8/hr. My rent, groceries, fuel for my car (car is paid off, as my parents gave me my mom’s old car – paid none of my 4 year college, but at least gave me a car that was paid off), credit card, and student loan make it where I’m lucky to skirt by. I can’t save, I’m uncomfortable, and I’m trapped. I only make minimum payments, and have to use the extended payment plan on my student loans. Now imagine trying to live on a wage 75¢ less than the wage I currently receive. It couldn’t be done. You wouldn’t think 75¢ extra an hour would make that big of a difference, but it does. I see no way I could work for the direct federal minimum, and still even pay the bare minimum payments on all of my debts. Snagajob is designed to advertise minimum wage work (the kind of work that works best for students, not graduates). It is ill advised to use it!

    And like most other things on Craigslist, 90% of the jobs are scams. They don’t tell you who their company is, what they’ll pay, and many times, what the full job is. Many of them I believe are phishing for financial information from gullible victims.

    In America today, what you know no longer matters – it’s who you know that matters. If you’re like me and weren’t born with a silver spoon in your mouth, and don’t know anyone in a position of power to get you hired, you are in effect screwed! I, like the original question-author “J”, have considered suicide. My loving fiancée and my religious beliefs are the main reason I don’t. I could never bear to hurt her, and I do believe that God would not approve of my taking the life he bestowed upon myself. But the reality is, that doesn’t stop the thought from crossing one’s mind. We are a generation enslaved by debts we cannot pay, that we acquired due to the false promises of our Baby Boomer and Gen X parents, who said we’d be trapped flipping burgers or working shitty retail jobs if we didn’t go to college. Guess what? We went to college and yet we’re still stuck working as burger flippers and retail drones, and at that for less money than if we’d have not gone to college at all, and with far more debt than if we’d never had gone. We’ve been duped!

    All I want is a fucking job that I can pay more than the bare minimum on my debts. I want to be able to pay the normal payment instead of the extended plan payment on my loan. How does someone with no connections get a job that allows one to live comfortably?

      • In the two years since I posted that – zero. I basically have been able to afford to pay enough to cover the interest, but not pay down the actual amount owed.

        I no longer work at the hardware store. Long story short, I was promoted to an assistant dept. manager position 6 months in to working there, and was screwed over another 6 months after that when a new GM was brought in, and cleaned house on all the management in our store. The management position did not pay much more than the crap wages I got as a salesman, so it’s not like I gained much from the promotion financially.

        A few months after being let go during the new GM’s management sweep, I took a position in a radio station as a board operator and part-time air talent, but again – I’m making crap wages. I’m making a whole whopping $9 an hour, and my hours are sporadic (they depend on whether or not they need a board op for a remote broadcast, or whether a full timer is sick). As such, I’m still incapable of paying all my debts, as some paychecks have all of 2 to 3 days on them for a 2 week period of time. Due to being on call all the time (in case a full timer calls in sick), it’s virtually impossible to take on another crap job on the side. As such life still sucks, and it’s not likely to get any better anytime soon… unless someone plans on offering me full time at a radio station. All of the full timers I work with are making $40,000 a year or more (which is more than enough to live off of in the podunk part of the Midwest I live in). But I’m not going to be offered full time in this lifetime at my station, because all the full timers have been there for over a decade, and show no signs of leaving.

        As such, still getting nowhere. Still no damn clue what to do.

        • It sounds like you are in some interest only payment and not an income driven plan. Are you in the IBR? If so, did you contact them when you had a change of employment to lower your payment?

          • Top – I’d be a trucker, but I have a wife that would likely leave me if I had to spend months on the road away from home hauling shit. It’s just not an option, and yes – I’d rather keep the wife than drive truck.

            Steve – I am in an income driven plan, and the only options I have would be to essentially declare a hardship and request deference (which wouldn’t help the problem, because I’d be accumulating interest – at least right now I’m keeping the interest paid, instead of letting it build).

            I don’t know what kinds of public jobs you’re talking about. Frankly, I’m not sure any available public jobs would fit my qualifications of a degree from the performing arts. At least the radio station does that, I just can’t get enough hours or pay to survive. About the only government broadcasting jobs that I know of would be the state PBS & NPR stations, which never seem to be hiring, and when they are they want more work experience in the broadcasting field than I have. And I can’t keep drowning in debt for 2 to 5 more years to get those state public broadcasting jobs. That seems kinda self defeating too.

            Regardless though, in my part of the world if you want a public sector government job, it seems that you’ve gotta know somebody who already works there just to get hired. I don’t live in a large city, nor do I live near one to commute for a government job, since nepotism in rural areas kills anyone’s chances who wasn’t born and raised there.

            Out here my only public sector option would be to teach, as that’s the only government jobs that you can get around here without being friends with/related to someone in the part of the government you’d like to work (because they can’t keep people). I have zero desire to teach. My state is one of the lowest paying states for teachers – pair that with the fact that my personality does not have the right qualities to teach children, in all honesty it would be a bad mix. I have no family or friends here to get hired in other government jobs.

            About the only thing government wise that I could see my self doing is working as a cop, but I have a reckless driving conviction from a high speed crash on the Interstate in my home state 8 years ago that would prevent my becoming a law enforcement officer around here. No – it’s not a felony conviction, it’s a misdemeanor, but law enforcement agencies generally want people with a squeaky clean record, or a small speeding ticket or two at maximum. Reckless driving is a bit more than a speeding ticket, so that kicks me out of the running.

            I came here for college, and am stuck here 3 years after graduating because moving to a better market costs money, and I can’t build up any savings to move on, as my money is out the door the second it arrives. So unless some sort of job in a skill set that I have will hire me full time and for a damn salary that pays the bills, I fear I’m stuck in a rut that I don’t know how to get the Hell out of.

  • When I went on disability, I wrote the governor of our state and told him I no longer could work so I had no means to pay my student loans. He sent me a letter back, with his deepest sympathies for my illness and he “forgave” all my student loans. Worth a shot.

    • I find this post flawed. No Governor of any state has the authority to pardon, or “forgive” loans granted by the Feds or the private sector. Care to elaborate how he managed to do that when the law doesn’t seem to allow for him to?

      • You are right MLH, a governor (state) cannot forgive a student loan (federal), it would violate our highest, i.e., Constitutional, laws. There is an almost unobtainable forgiveness through federal court, though, as found in the case of Brunner v. NY. One must show through a three-pronged totality of the circumstances test that the debtor faces a “certainty of hopelessness.” See In re Roberson.

        Loan forgiveness programs only come into play if you can land a highly coveted government position, and maintain IBR status and the position for 10 continuous years. If one maintains poverty long enough to remain on IBR for 20 years in the private sector, they may also obtain forgiveness.

        During this time a persons indenture will tenuously hang in the political balances, as Congress can change or eliminate the rules of forgiveness at any time. The tax implications of forgiven debt–which is considered income–is enough to keep a person up at night too.

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