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Institute of Consumer Economic Education (ICEE) – Sadly Dave Burke Appears to Be Back

A tip just in.

Real talk is no longer a business…However Dave Burke is still very much in business just under a totally different company name! RTN is now the “institute of consumer economic education” Melody Burke purchased all of RTN assets, under the institute of consumer economic education so real talk doesn’t exist anymore! what she didn’t purchase was all of RTNs liabilities… ICEE is an “education service” for consumers? So do some research check it out, ICEE is very real they’re website is and if you notice they are even holding events at the exact same places that RTN use to hold events. Oh and they are even opening up a new market in Houston, Tx. This is Burkes way to get rid of the negative press he has received as well as all of the BBB ratings and of course the event picketers!

I’ve written so much about Dave Burke and his old Real Talk Network enterprise. If you want to learn more, start with “Investigative Report: Dave Burke and Real Talk Network (Real Talk Network, Inc.). Is It a Scam?” And once you finish that article you can read all of these.

Thanks to the tipster (send in your tips here) it was super easy to connect the Real Talk Network site and the ICEE site. All I had to do was look at the code on the site to get the connection through Experian.

According to the ICEE site, the company is Institute of Consumer Economic Education, LLC at P.O. Box 33300, Northglenn, Colorado 80234. – Source

The Institute of Consumer Economic Education, LLC lists on its articles of organization the address of 1333 W. 120th St #208, Westminster, CO 80234. That just so happens to be the mailing address of the Real Talk Network, Get Real With Dave and now the ICEE.

The Institute of Consumer Economic Education was registered by Melodie Burke on June 17, 2010. – Source

The ICEE describes itself as:

The Institute of Consumer Economic Education (ICEE) is a content- rich information source focused on educating consumers on the vast array of topics regarding consumer financial management. Through its website, proprietary curriculum, classes and orientations, and personalized, one-on-one mentoring, ICEE provides consumers with the tools to live smarter, richer lives. Based in Denver, Colorado, ICEE is a one-stop information source for tools, tips and community sharing. – Source

And as the tipster (send in your tips here) noticed. It does look like the seminars are held in similar locations as Real Talk Network did.

And the Real Talk Network doesn’t list any additional sessions to be held after the one on July 1, 2010 at the, wait for it, Costa Mesa Hilton.

The domain name was registered on June 14, 2010.

ICEE is hiring. A recent advertisement says there is an opening for a back-up speaker. I wonder if Dave is looking for a new sidekick since it seems all the others have been kicked out the door.

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The ad says:
Post# A72219

Consumer Economic Education Speaker (Denver)

Posted on: Wednesday, 30 June, 2010 11:11
Updated On: Monday, 05 July, 2010 10:12
Expires On: Friday, 08 October, 2010 11:11
Reply to: (Not Shown)

Position: Education Orientation Professional Speaker

The COO of an exciting, fast-growing company is looking for a Back –Up Professional Speaker to speak about the Institute of Consumer Economic Education’s Economic Education Program at various orientations around the country. The ideal candidate will be comfortable working in a demanding, fast-paced, high-energy environment and have previous finance related work experience. Candidate must be professional, passionate, have a high level of energy, the ability to speak in front of large crowds, detail-oriented, ability to multi-task and possess strong oral skills. High level personal training is provided to the right candidate.

• Learn the ICEE philosophy, Household Economic Education Program and training.
• Develop and maintain a professional atmosphere at all events.
• Work with COO to update new financial product info.
• Attend all orientation engagements set up by ICEE.
• Work with COO on a continued basis, training and orientation tactics.

• Recent Speaking at Event level experience.
• Excellent oral skills; detail-oriented.
• A professional who is prompt and reliable.
• A resourceful self-starter and self-manager; ability to work independently and be self directed.
• Strong organizational and multi-tasking skills in a high interrupt environment.
• Strong customer service and people skills.

Work Environment
• Speaker will work out of corporate offices and at orientations nightly. Working hours vary depending on event details
• Be able to attend orientations for at least three to six months before speaking
• Demanding, high-energy, fast-paced environment (small, growing company).
• Work with group of sharp individuals who are highly committed to company vision.
[email protected]Source

Notice the email address in the ad, Billi Campanella. Well Billi Sue Carwile was listed as the COO of Real Talk Network. I wonder if she is using a different last name to try to distance herself so people don’t figure it out. – Source

According to the Facebook page for the ICEE it sure sounds like the Real Talk Network and other Dave Burke pitches.

Here is what it says:

Company Overview: Typically, debt elimination isn’t the golden ticket. In order for consumer to have long-term financial success, education is key. The Institute of Consumer Economic Education (ICEE) is focused on empowering consumers with financial knowledge, information, education and action. Through its website, curriculum, classes and orientations, and personalized, one-on-one mentoring, ICEE provides consumers with the tools to live smarter, richer lives. Based in Denver, CO, ICEE is a one-stop information source for tools, tips and community sharing. Visit us at

Mission: Most consumers view mortgages, credit card fees and auto loans as a necessary part of life. Visions of winning the lottery can sometimes seem like the only way out. At the Institute of Consumer Economic Education (ICEE) we take a very different view of personal financial management. Our philosophy is to empower every consumer with knowledge and from there educate and mentor. We provide a content-rich information source focused on educating consumers on a vast array of subjects surrounding consumer financial education. Through our website, proprietary curriculum, classes and orientations, and personalized, one-on-one mentoring, ICEE provides consumers with the tools to live smarter, richer lives. It’s not a one-stop approach to debt elimination but rather a long-term process that empowers and educates.

Products: ICEE takes a holistic, 360-degree view of personal finance. Consumers can access one of many resources to learn, inform or take action.

• At www.iceellccom consumers have a one-stop source for information and knowledge sharing.

• ICEE’s Household Economic Program Orientations are an open, community-building forum where consumers learn tips, tools and gather knowledge about better household financial management.

• ICEE’s Household Economic Program brings a personalized, tailored process to guiding consumer through the financial management process.

• ICEE’s Household Economic Program Classes are in-depth sessions on key financial topics like managing credit cards, mortgages and debt. – Source

Sadly I’d have to say we’ll need to stay tuned for new people with something to say about the ICEE. If you have any information and updates about the ICEE, be sure to post your information in the comments below.

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Update: July 7, 2010

As you will see in the comments below, COO Billi Carwile made the statement that Dave Burke will be involved in ICEE and his wife is the owner of ICEE and purchased the assets of Get Real With Dave (Real Talk Network) and that then became the Institute of Consumer Economic Education (ICEE). Carwille says, “Mr. Burke will be contracted by ICEE in a consulting manner to train a new speaker for ICEE as well as continue training for its counseling program.”

Just yesterday a San Diego television station reported the following story about Burke and his business practices. Only time will tell if they become part of the ICEE approach.

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Update: July 8, 2010

ICEE Shuttered by Colorado Attorney General

Well it looks like the ICEE ran a short life. Along with the ICEE, Dave Burke’s other enterprises have been hit with a court approved temporary restraining order and all operations have been ordered to cease and web sites to be removed.

See Dave Burke, Erik Sale, Real Talk Network and Institute of Consumer Economic Education All Sued and Hit With TRO by Attorney General of Colorado for complete details.


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  • I was ripped off too, and sent to collections with Conrad Credit. I am also in California. What are we able to do to try to get some sort of refund. I feel as if I was extorted into paying Conrad Collections the balance due to get the collection account off of my credit report.I did not have the extra money to do this, so I put it on a credit card, and it was removed immediately. RTN was not helpful at all. I want some sort of payback.

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